04/04/2015 San Quintin

Here we go again with the U.S. compares with the working conditions in Mexico. Qtla, how many times have you left this forum yet to return with the same @#%*

Full Definition of INDIGENOUS. : produced, growing, living, or
occurring naturally in a particular region or environment.

My point was that these laborers, which would have been a better term, are from different areas of Mexico and in fact some from Central America. Their pay sucks and they work long hours, nobody is holding a gun to their heads but most have mouths to feed. Demonstrations like this bring awareness to their plite. Most of the Ag companies in San Quintin are U.S. companies, making big profits! Most produce from that area ends up in the U.S.

I am very familiar with the San Quintin area, my Stepmother is from there. Her family is very big and they are spread out, Ensenada, San Quintin, and Gurrero Negro. She owns a building on the main higway that is being leased out as a restaurant. She has indiginous blood. Baja native. Not sure if you can find full indiginous to the Baja anymore.

Interesting article I read a long time ago I would like to have those interested read it.

http://www.sandiegoarchaeology.org/Laylander/Baja/doc.north.htm

Mex: You are way off. I assume you were being sarcastic when you spoke of cheap produce in Canada. Maybe you should have mentioned the Mexican farmers in Sonora and Sinaloa who treat their workers like slaves. I somehow doubt they are all Canadian. Next thing Mex is going to sing Woody's " Deportees". Calma te. Chris is right on. Don't sit in the background give it to them!!! Is Mex the reincarnation of Cesar Chavez ! Excuse me while I suck on a Mexican tomato!

Moisheh

iguana07 wrote:
Here we go again with the U.S. compares with the working conditions in Mexico. Qtla, how many times have you left this forum yet to return with the same @#%*

Thank you so much for your kind words. I think you missed my point. It wasn't about comparisons. Does that bother you?

My point was simple. People who work in fields picking produce that people eat around the world, are usually illegals or immigrants that are poorly paid.

If you were to keep abreast of Mexican news in Spanish you would know that the Tarahumara stated that they were happy with the wages in Baja because they couldn't find the same wages at home in Chihuahua other than working in the marijuana and poppy fields.

Research, investigate, observe and then speak.

qtla9111 wrote:

OTOH, I've never seen anyone complain about paying for cheap produce or offer to pay double so that the workers could have higher wages. Maybe all the ex-pats in Mexico will stop eating fresh produce for the next year in protest.

Maybe you should hang out with better people?

Folks I know, mostly poor themselves, pay attention to where their food comes from and buy from farms that treat their workers (and the soil) well.

Naio wrote:

qtla9111 wrote:

OTOH, I've never seen anyone complain about paying for cheap produce or offer to pay double so that the workers could have higher wages. Maybe all the ex-pats in Mexico will stop eating fresh produce for the next year in protest.

Maybe you should hang out with better people?

That might make sense if you knew me.

Sorry you missed the point, there is always room for better wages in Mexico! Do you believe the "Tarahumara" make up most of the labor force?
" People who work in fields picking produce that people eat around the world, are usually illegals or immigrants that are poorly paid."
Really, where do you get those stats? We have minimum wage laws here, Canada I know pays well for their AG laborers, I know more than a few illegals here and they are living pretty comfortable compared to doing the same work in Mexico. I don't need to read the Mexican news to realize this.

iguana07 wrote:
Sorry you missed the point, there is always room for better wages in Mexico! Do you believe the "Tarahumara" make up most of the labor force?
" People who work in fields picking produce that people eat around the world, are usually illegals or immigrants that are poorly paid."
Really, where do you get those stats? We have minimum wage laws here, Canada I know pays well for their AG laborers, I know more than a few illegals here and they are living pretty comfortable compared to doing the same work in Mexico. I don't need to read the Mexican news to realize this.

You always learn something from someone who is wise. Thanks for setting me straight. I've wasted so many years keeping abreast of world news. I could have spent it responding to your comments.

Well, I am a manguero. I hire pickers. The going wage is 80-pesos per 12-hour days 6-days a week. I pay double that and the big mangueros regional have threatened me with "sancciones". My orchard is small 14 workers for 4-days. There is a choke point in Culiacan and another near Queretaro. Mangos must be fumigated with approved hot water to go further north. A license costs with appropriate bribes around fifty thousand US Dollars. Few mangueros can afford this. So Jumex comes around and pays around 2.80 dlls per 22 pound crate which must be selected by hand. I feed my crew too. And provide a clean outhouse with TP. Had to buy jumbo rolls of TP small ones would walk off 8-rolls a day extra. The trajabadores love babecued iguana, tortillas, pico de gallo and cola. It is said that mango fed iguana is coveted so they take as many as they like. Some climb the palms with hands and feet and drop cocos for comida.

Yachts, islands and jetliners take a lot of dinero to maintain. A staff of a dozen butlers and maids rrquires almost as many pesos as a casa chica with chiquita.

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Well, I am a manguero. I hire pickers. The going wage is 80-pesos per 12-hour days 6-days a week. I pay double that and the big mangueros regional have threatened me with "sancciones". My orchard is small 14 workers for 4-days. There is a choke point in Culiacan and another near Queretaro. Mangos must be fumigated with approved hot water to go further north. A license costs with appropriate bribes around fifty thousand US Dollars. Few mangueros can afford this. So Jumex comes around and pays around 2.80 dlls per 22 pound crate which must be selected by hand. I feed my crew too. And provide a clean outhouse with TP. Had to buy jumbo rolls of TP small ones would walk off 8-rolls a day extra. The trajabadores love babecued iguana, tortillas, pico de gallo and cola. It is said that mango fed iguana is coveted so they take as many as they like. Some climb the palms with hands and feet and drop cocos for comida.

Yachts, islands and jetliners take a lot of dinero to maintain. A staff of a dozen butlers and maids rrquires almost as many pesos as a casa chica with chiquita.

I always knew you were a writer. :B

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