Boats seized for lack of permit

None of the information I dug up specifies any difference between a six month and ten year TIP, it just refers to a temporarily imported vehicle. If what you say is true, I could leave the motorhome in Mexico while I visited Belize, but not the car. If I wanted to remain legal, I still could not visit Belize or fly home and leave the car behind. Very few people visit Mexico with just a motorhome. The either have a tow car or a truck to pull their trailer or 5er.

I accept your contention that the ten year TIP cannot be linked to an FMM but the evidence clearly states that you are not allowed to leave the country without arranging with Aduana for storage of your TIP'd vehicle (not just your six month TIP'd vehicle).

This subject is not of concern to me as I have never left the country without my vehicle(s). If I did I would discuss the situation with Aduana.

Thank you for making it so clear!

Crandle and navigator: You are mixing apples and oranges. I will try to keep this short but I want it to be clear. There are 2 Government departments that we encounter at the border. Customs ( Aduana) and Immigration( La Migra). For most on this forum you apply for an FMM and it is immigration that gives out that document. Aduana is responsible for vehicles. That is where you get a TIP. It is valid for 6 months. Your permit for a car or truck is also valid for 6 months. That TIP cannot be issued for longer than 6 months as they are linked. When you pay the bond Aduana needs you to turn in your paperwork and they cancel the TIP so you get your money back. Even expats who might have the equivalent of the old FM3 have to inform Aduana when they renew their FM3 or they lose the bond. BUT when you get a 10 year permit is not linked to your FMM.How can they link it when you get a new one every year? The 10 year permit is designed to make life easier for RV'rs and at the same time control them being illegal in Mexico The FMM is good for a max. of 6 months. The RV ( or boat) permit is good for 10 years. When you leave the country after your winter stay I am sure you turn in the papers for your car in order to get back the bond. Your RV has no bond and you are not required to do anything with the paperwork for that 10 year permit. Aduana does not care if you are in Canada or Mexico. They just want you to not sell the RV and turn in the paperwork before the 10 years are up. That is why there is no bond for the RV. How could they handle that? It is valid for 10 years period. You can come and go as you please. In a nutshell: The info you provided from the lawyer must be correct for AUTOS with a 6 month FMM but not for anything under a 10 year permit

Moisheh

Exactly Chris, people may get away with it for years until they get caught. I am sure many of those boat owners expressed shock and dismay as well when they found out they were not allowed to leave their boat behind when they flew home. And yes, many people in Pa-Mul may be in for a surprise when they show up at the border with a trailer or motorhome that has been illegally in Mexico for ten years.

The law is the law. You may never get caught but when you do, you will know you put yourself in the position with your eyes wide open.

Forms that are not system generated are later entered by hand during non-peak hours. I am here in Reynosa and the guys at the Hidalgo crossing sit here and key in the information.

Take it for what you will, it doesn't affect me anyway as we have Mexican vehicles and rvs. If I were a tourist I would never leave the country temporarily without taking my rv to an aduana corralon. I don't care what people say they can get away with and what is or is not in the system. There is always a first time for everything. Just like Americans and other foreigners who get deported and or fined when they overstay their tourist cards. People say it never happens, check the INM website under deportation statistics by country. Legal beagle here.

Or don't turn it in at all, if it's hand done. Yes, of course, keep them for future reference, just in case.

When I got our TIP for the truck in my name and the TIP for our small 5th wheel in the wifes name on line this year, I got a paper in the package to turn in to the Immigration when I got my FMM. The guy at KM 21 didn't even look at it, just waved it off. How is my 10 year for either 5th wheel (we leave the larger one in storage here) even tied to an FMM? When we turn them in they just throw them away without looking at them. When you leave Mexico through Sonoyta/Lukeville, you turn in the 6 month TIP at Pitiquito and turn in your FMM either at the old KM27 or at the border 99 miles away.

I am seriously in confused doubt.
We have a 10 year on our motorhome. We come and go across the border. Lately, we have been getting our "visa's" in Tijuana, when we walk across for the afternoon. They are not computer generated, and sometimes Aduana marks that we on foot, sometimes we mark vehicle. How could this possibly be tied to our moho? I thought we could come and go during the time constraints of both items?

Thank you navegator, I missed your post. This process is what I was trying to refer to.

Crandle: I am at the Denver Airport and do not have access to all the info that I need. My dates may not be dead on but here goes. At one time (20+ years ago). There were no TIP's as we know them now. When you entered Mexico you were given a decal with the current year. Old time Mexico travelers would use these like badges of honor and display 10 or so on the window. Then I think they did away with the decal and you got some sort of paper. It was typed on a 100 year old typewriter and if you needed within an hour a "tip" was required. But there were all kinds of problems with that system. At the same time there were hundreds and hundreds of boats and trailers that were permanently in Mexico. RV parks on the west coast and havens like Guad had a bunch of old trailers. Illegal of course. Probably because of pressure from tourism officials Mexico wanted to make these legal and control any more that entered. They came up with a 15 ( or maybe it was 20) year permit. Note that MH's were not eligible. If your unit was already in Mexico you could go to any port with an Aduana with just a bill of sale, or title or registration and they issued the permit. I do not remember paying for the permit. I accompanied 2o or so Kino people who did not speak Spanish and it was an easy procedure The whole purpose of the permit was so that the units could be left in Mexico worked and most boaters complied. Inspectors would visit RV parks in the summer when the owners were NOB. AS long as the decal was displayed you were OK. Shortly after this due to foreigners ( mostly Canadians) selling their cars in Mexico they instituted a bond program. It was a disaster with ancient 8086 computers and the big floppies and no network. The Aduaneros did not know how to operate a computer. Tourists threatened to never again visit Mexico as the bond was expensive. Tourism providers screamed at the Gov. and within 2 weeks that system was gone. Then came the beginning of the TIP. This was about 20 years ago. All vehicles, even MH's) needed the 6 month TIP. 10 year permits were available for trailers and boats. Then MH's became eligible for 10 year permits. I am not near my 10 year permits but the rules are clearly spelled out and I think they mostly refer to you removing the unit from Mexico before the permit expires. No mention of not leaving it in Mexico as that was the whole idea of the 10 year permit. You are correct about auto TIP's. If I am wrong there will be thousands of people with a big problem,

Moisheh