No more 10 year permits?

briansue wrote:
many RV parks around Mexico - especially in the Baja but other places such as the Yucatan as well - where RV owners have built palapas and even houses around RVs that have been there for many years and will never move again. We see these "houses" with for sale signs on them and have seen a few that are high priced.
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What happens if they start to enforce any of the RV permits - be they 10 year or 6 months?

People in Baja never bothered with getting any TIP for travel trailer or 5-er. Only for boats longer than 14(?) feet. Structure on a leased land, be it a house, trailer, palapa or trailer with or without palapa, sells for whatever a buyer finds reasonable to pay. If place is nice and palapa is nice, price can be high.

So far only boats have been (occasionally) enforced in Baja. What happens if they start enforcing old RV's sitting on cement blocks under palapas? Jee, who knows... Many of those trailers can't even be moved anymore, locals from village are living there because bought it cheap.

moisheh wrote:
I have not seen any reference to this subject on any other forums. Chris: a 10 year permit allows you to leave the rig in Mexico. Why issue a 10 year permit to someone who can only stay in Mexico for 180 days? Those permits started with 15 years for boats. Then Rv's were added. Finally they became 10 year. Navegator. Lots of snowbirds leave their vehicles in the USA. Don't know if it is legal.

Moisheh

Sorry, I can't find any reference to being able to leave the rig without the owner for a 10 year permit.

Not saying you're wrong but I can't find it. No TIP allows a vehicle without the owner.

I have not seen any reference to this subject on any other forums. Chris: a 10 year permit allows you to leave the rig in Mexico. Why issue a 10 year permit to someone who can only stay in Mexico for 180 days? Those permits started with 15 years for boats. Then Rv's were added. Finally they became 10 year. Navegator. Lots of snowbirds leave their vehicles in the USA. Don't know if it is legal.

Moisheh

Maybe Banjersito wants to use the money that they set as a fiansa (lean) that is returned after 180 days to make short term loans, the same as some banks do with some short term loans.

Or they want better control of what is entering or trying to protect the automobil dealers and importers, maybe a well connected politico will start importing RV's to Mexico?

In Mexico the different government agencies do not comunicate with each other and this causes a lot of miss information and headaches for those trying to navigate the paperwork mine fields.

It is only natural that they want the person and the vehicle entering and exiting together, I do not know what the U.S. laws are for a temporary importation of a vehicle are, I am certain that the individual and the vehicle need to leave after 180 days, then of course I have never imported a vehicle to the U.S. maybe one of you that worked for CBP can enlighten us.

navegator

almcc wrote:
Chris, I'm wondering if the changes relate to the NAFTA requirements that allow importation of all vehicles into Mexico as of 2019. It would seem that there isn't a requirement for permits if the only reason for the current practice is to ensure that a tax is collected on an importation.

That could be but I'm not seeing the 2019 change happening. Mexico is attempting to modify the NAFTA agreement before it happens. It has been in the senate now since last year.

They shut down many aduana agencies over a year ago for bad practices and now the concern is to ensure vehicles entering Mexico for sale are of good quality. (lots of junk makes it's way into Mexico especially salvage vehicles from flooding that don't last long and end up in the trash heap).

I just personally believe that SAT wants to collect tax on vehicles and this is a way to push Aduana to create a permit for a temporary import that has not existed up until now.

I think it's only logical. It is a product that requires either a permit or a tax. Someone has to make a decision and it appears Banjercito is doing that on its own to set a precedent.

OOPs

Chris, I'm wondering if the changes relate to the NAFTA requirements that allow importation of all vehicles into Mexico as of 2019. It would seem that there isn't a requirement for permits if the only reason for the current practice is to ensure that a tax is collected on an importation.

Remember the big scandal a few years back with all the yachts and sailboats that were confiscated because didn't have permits or permits that were expired? SAT/Aduana got a wild hair and decided to do something.

It's like drug raids and undocumented workers in the U.S. They don't go out on the streets everyday, but once in a great while they decide to change statistics, send a message, etc. and go out on the search.

Same thing here. But just like the yachts, people knew the rules, chose not to follow them, and then trashed Mexico when they got caught.

I have often wondered about the many RV parks around Mexico - especially in the Baja but other places such as the Yucatan as well - where RV owners have built palapas and even houses around RVs that have been there for many years and will never move again. We see these "houses" with for sale signs on them and have seen a few that are high priced. How do they get away with this under current laws? Even with a 10 year permit many of these places have exceeded the legal allowance. And these places are bought and sold regularly to/by "foreigners". I'm not intending to blow the whistle on anyone as everyone knows these places exist, including the Mexican authorities. What happens if they start to enforce any of the RV permits - be they 10 year or 6 months?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea was never to let a foreigner leave their vehicle or rig in Mexico with the owner absent. The idea was to make sure that the unit returned with the owner.

As far as I know and I stick to the rules of aduana, it has never been legal to leave your rig in Mexico without permission from the local aduana office which includes leaving your rig on one of their properties until you return.

What is the purpose of the TIP permits anyway? It is to keep people from arbitrarily leaving and possibly selling their vehicles under the table. I realize most think, "well, that's Mexico" but we do have laws and the logic of "when in Rome" sometimes isn't a show of one's home country cultural traits.

These issues are exacerbated by foreigners who seem to try and find a way around things like in SMA where they issue license plates under the guise of a farm workers union. The list goes on.

Anyway, there's a reason for the permits besides making money and they continue to tighten the grip as there are more and more offenders and I am not referring necessarily to rvers