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- AZ_MikeExplorer
nomad297 wrote:
rocmoc wrote:
Posting this link to Escapees RV Club Forum about AZ enforcing diesel use in AZ.
http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=113059&hl=
I have lived here of nearly 15 years and didn't know!
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
That's some good information. Thanks for posting here and in the other forum.
Bruce
What He said!
I don't go to the other forums so I would have never seen this. What's the big deal? More has gone into this post about double posting then the original informative post. Maybe if anything the Moderators will delete the nonsense. - briansueExplorerUPDATE
In today’s RV Travel Newsletter . . . http://rvtravel.com/?q=rv-travel-newsletter-issue660 . . . there was information about the AZ fuel tax that clarifies how it applies to RVs. I kept searching and came up with more. RVers may want to save this to show to law enforcement should this come up while fueling. I personally have my doubts that anyone operating a legitimate RV that qualifies under these rules was fined.
Please try to get this posted in more places on the internet. There are a lot of them out there already but all RVers should be aware of this.
http://rvarizona.blogspot.com/2014/10/arizona-fuel-tax-rumor-goes-viral-heres.html
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/05606.htm
vehicles that are exempt pursuant to section 28-5432 from the weight fee prescribed in section 28-5433
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/05432.htm
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1264p.pdf
I did some Google searching but could not find Arizona DOT 2004 agency policy memo, number 13.2.3 which does not mean it is not out there. Here is what is spreading around the internet about this…….
For motorhomes, Arizona DOT's Kent pointed us to a 2004 agency policy memo, number 13.2.3. Boiled down, the policy says as long as a motorhome has at least four of the following items, it is exempt from "use class" (and higher fuel taxes). Those items include:
"A cooking facility with an on-board fuel source,
"A gas or electric refrigerator
"A toilet with exterior evacuation
"A heating or air-conditioning system with an on-board power or fuel source separate from the vehicle engine
"A portable water supply system that includes at least a sink, a faucet and a water tank with an exterior service supply connection
"A 110-125 volt electric power supply"
If you've got at least four of those things, even if your motorhome has a weight rating of more than 26,000 pounds and/or more than three axles, your rig is NOT a "use class" motor vehicle, and thus does NOT have to pay the higher fuel tax rate. One last detail: For your motorhome to meet the 'lower fuel tax use OK' test, it must be used for recreational purposes. If used for commercial purposes, once you hit over 26,000 pounds and/or more than two axles, you are stuck paying the higher tax rate.
I found another link and some answers here.......
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50497884/AZ%20Motor%20Home%20Diesel%20Tax%20Rate.pdf
Motor Home Diesel Tax Rate Questions
From: Mark Zimmerman
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:42 AM
To: Bob
Subject: RE: Motor Home Diesel Tax Rate Questions
Good morning, Bob!
Answers to your questions are in red below. Please let me know if you have any further questions!
Take care,
Mark
Mark Zimmerman Senior Division Administrator
Revenue and Fuel Tax Administration 1801 W. Jefferson St., Mail Drop 501M Phoenix, AZ 85007 602.712.8381 www.azdot.gov
From: Bob Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:14 PM To: Mark Zimmerman
Subject: Motor Home Diesel Tax Rate Questions
Hello Mark,
There have been a lot of discussions recently on a few RV related forums regarding Arizona’s diesel tax rates (either .18¢ or .26¢ per gallon), and how they may or may not apply to non-commercially operated motorhomes that weigh greater than 26,000 or have more than two axles.
Your Fuel Tax Rates in Arizona web site reads as follows:
Fuel-Tax Rates in Arizona
The Arizona tax on gasoline (motor vehicle fuel) is 18¢ per gallon. Use fuel (diesel) is taxed at two rates in Arizona.
• If the use fuel is used in the propulsion of a use class motor vehicle on a highway in this state, the tax rate is 26¢ for each gallon.
o A "use class motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle that uses use fuel on a highway in this state and that is a road tractor, truck tractor, truck or passenger carrying vehicle having a declared gross vehicle weight of more than 26,000 pounds or having more than two axles.
• If the use fuel is used in the propulsion of a light class motor vehicle (such as a pickup truck) or an exempt vehicle (certain school buses, government and non-profit vehicles, see 28-5432.C) on a highway in this state, the use fuel is taxed at the same rate per gallon as the motor vehicle fuel tax (18¢ per gallon). (See 28-5601, 5605, 5606.)
I believe the wording that is causing all the confusion has to do with what is considered a “passenger carrying vehicle having a declared gross vehicle weight of more than 26,000 pounds or having more than two axles”.
I have three questions that if you would be so kind to answer I will pass on your replies.
Question: Is the definition of a “passenger carrying vehicle having a declared gross vehicle weight of more than 26,000 pounds or having more than two axles” meant to apply a passenger carrying vehicle for hire (for example a Greyhound bus)?
Answer: Yes, you are correct.
Question: Is any non-commercially operated motor home, regardless of the weight or number of axles, ever subject to the higher .26¢ tax rate?
Answer: No, you are correct, motor homes used for non-commercial purposes pay the $.18 tax rate. Should such purchaser ever pay the $.26 tax rate, they are eligible to go into the retail station and ask the cashier for an $.08 refund. The cashier will have a log for the purchaser to complete.
Question: Is the .08¢ differential between the .18¢ rate and the .26¢ rate meant to apply to commercial vehicles only?
Answer: The $.26 tax rate is meant for “use class vehicles” as defined in ARS 28-5601.37 – “means a motor vehicle that uses use fuel on a highway in this state and that is a tractor, truck tractor, truck or passenger carrying vehicle having a declared gross vehicle weight of more than 26,000 lbs or having more than two axles.” Use class vehicles that are exempt from the weight fee in ARS 28-5432 and 5433, pay the $.18 tax rate (See ARS 28-5606.B.2). Non-commercial motor homes fall under this provision.
Thank you in advance for your replies to the above questions.
Bob
More links - see toward the end of these threads.
http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=113059&page=8
http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=113604#entry728180 - briansueExplorerI don't know if I can add anything or clarify what has already been said. When you see the big price sign at truck stops going down the road in AZ you are seeing the price trucks must pay for fuel. In AZ they tax heavier vehicles 8 cents a gallon more than smaller vehicles - this is only on diesel. If you only have a single axle in the rear and you weigh under 26,000 lbs (registered weight of motorhome alone) you do not have to pay the 8 cents extra. Why they do this I do not know. If you fuel at the RV pumps they may not have the 8 cents added to the price. We search gocomchek.com and msn gas prices and gas buddy to find who is charging what anywhere we go. In AZ we know the truckstops will show 8 cents more because it is the truck price. We fuel at the small vehicle pumps because we like saving money. I have never heard of them patrolling or fining people for fueling at the low price pumps. But I guess it can happen. Going to non-truck stop stations can save money in AZ because they will not have the 8 cent tax.
There is something of a similar problem in IN and OR as truckers pay their tax by permit so the price you see up outside truckstops is the price without the tax. Technically RVs are not supposed to fuel at truck pumps in these states. You may find that you have to pay quite a bit more for fuel in these states than the sign says because they add the state tax to the price. This can all get confusing. Just more of the stuff we need to be aware of. - Dog_FolksExplorer
rocmoc wrote:
darsben wrote:
rocmoc wrote:
Posting this link to Escapees RV Club Forum about AZ enforcing diesel use in AZ.
http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=113059&hl=
I have lived here of nearly 15 years and didn't know!
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
And you have been a member here and did not know the rule that;
You are not allowed to post the same message in multiple forums without permission from one of the Open Roads Forum moderators.
Hmmm just saying
Yes I do but hoped the Mods would be understanding since it is met for two different set of RVers going to two different locations. Was willing to take the chance since I felt it important. Not everyone reads both forum topics.
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
Would it not be better to ask permission to double post?
That way you don't appear to try and circumvent the established rules?
Besides, you would avoid us "Post Police." - nomad297Explorer
rocmoc wrote:
Posting this link to Escapees RV Club Forum about AZ enforcing diesel use in AZ.
http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=113059&hl=
I have lived here of nearly 15 years and didn't know!
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
That's some good information. Thanks for posting here and in the other forum.
Bruce - moishehExplorerdarsben: Are you the forum police? Mind your own business! Rocmoc: I cannot believe that you did not know that regulation. All the truck stop pumps have that sticker. With all the Snowbirds visiting az you would think they would exempt RV's.
Moisheh - Old-BiscuitExplorer III
Larryect wrote:
Never heard of that one before.
On the flip side it sounds like there is higher tax at the truck islands. Might be a good reason to avoid them. Sometimes I look for regular nozzles at the truck/RV islands when I am towing. Any idea if the requirement is combined weight or tow vehicle capacity? Although my combined ratings are below 26k.
Diesel fuel has a 2 tier tax rate in AZ
The $0.26/gallon applies to vehicles having a declared gross vehicle weight of more than 26,000 pounds or having more than two axles.
The $0.18/gallon applies to light class motor vehicle (such as a pickup truck) or an exempt vehicle (certain school buses, government and non-profit vehicles.
Fuel Tax Info
If your vehicle GVWR is 26,000# (or more) or you have more than 2 axles, you can be fined if you fuel up with diesel at a 'regular service station' pump where tax rate is only $.018/gallon.
BUT if your GVWR is under 26,000# and you fuel up with diesel at a truckers station pump that has the higher rate applied at $0.26/gallon you can get a refund of $.08 X gallons purchased.
Will need to fill out form with stations cashier for the refund. - LarryectExplorerNever heard of that one before.
On the flip side it sounds like there is higher tax at the truck islands. Might be a good reason to avoid them. Sometimes I look for regular nozzles at the truck/RV islands when I am towing. Any idea if the requirement is combined weight or tow vehicle capacity? Although my combined ratings are below 26k. - Bird_FreakExplorer II
darsben wrote:
Why do you feel it is your job to trash all the poster's here? Would be nice to see you post something helpful for a change. Just MHO.rocmoc wrote:
darsben wrote:
rocmoc wrote:
Posting this link to Escapees RV Club Forum about AZ enforcing diesel use in AZ.
http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=113059&hl=
I have lived here of nearly 15 years and didn't know!
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
And you have been a member here and did not know the rule that;
You are not allowed to post the same message in multiple forums without permission from one of the Open Roads Forum moderators.
Hmmm just saying
Yes I do but hoped the Mods would be understanding since it is met for two different set of RVers going to two different locations. Was willing to take the chance since I felt it important. Not everyone reads both forum topics.
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
Ah so you are above the rules. You did not bother to ask permission first that seems worse to me - darsbenExplorer II
rocmoc wrote:
darsben wrote:
rocmoc wrote:
Posting this link to Escapees RV Club Forum about AZ enforcing diesel use in AZ.
http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=113059&hl=
I have lived here of nearly 15 years and didn't know!
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
And you have been a member here and did not know the rule that;
You are not allowed to post the same message in multiple forums without permission from one of the Open Roads Forum moderators.
Hmmm just saying
Yes I do but hoped the Mods would be understanding since it is met for two different set of RVers going to two different locations. Was willing to take the chance since I felt it important. Not everyone reads both forum topics.
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
Ah so you are above the rules. You did not bother to ask permission first that seems worse to me
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