Thanks; Moun Dir talks about some sharp dropoffs and I don't want that with the 5er if I can help it.
I don't know - this is a get from here to there thing and sightseeing not important.
Yes, Ken, have pulled Lizard Head a few times - both ways. Not any issue there.
I get mixed reviews here in Ouray from the locals. We are looking at - per Google - some 58 miles and 37 minutes difference.
I am pretty much ok with shelf stuff - without the trailer. DW and DD do NOT like dropoffs! :-)
Driving Red Mountain Pass again tomorrow in truck; did it the other morning. Beautiful !
Will give update on my other posting.