Pickup truck permit issues

rocmoc wrote:
When did this start? Had no problem getting a TIP for my 3/4 ton heavy duty pulling the 5er into Mexico. Wasn't a 10 year like the 5er had but was good for 180 days. OR are we talking about a different issue?

rocmoc n AZ/Fld/Baja

About 6 weeks ago.

My boss is headed to the head office of banjercito in Mexico City next week to try and get clarification.

joebedford wrote:
Are you saying that I might not be able to get into Mexico with my 1 ton dually with 5th wheel on the back?

You will probbaly be OK. So far this has happened to a few people, but others have had no issues.

Tequila wrote:
My boss is headed to the head office of banjercito in Mexico City next week to try and get clarification.

The issue with this is if the information is disseminated to all Banjercito offices and that it is included in the "oficio" and documented. Without the rule in hand, the person's decision means nothing.

Each Banjercito office has it's own director and they make final decisions when it is not in the "reglamento".

This isn't about rvers, this is about a type of truck that falls under certain criteria. Clarification is one thing, changes to the rules for a few rvers is another. I truly wish him luck and it would be a great thing is the rule is changed or clarified to allow these vehicles to pass under the current rules.

Here is what Mexico Mike was just told. i ma still working on it from my end.

For myself, I will definetely try to do my permit on line so I do not get blindsided at the border. my registration shows both GVW & net. I am going to see if the insurance agent can print me out a copy with the GVW left off. Here in BC insurance & registration documents are the same.


Reynosa, TAM. Interviewed Banjercito officials at two crossings. It is official. Unless your title or registration shows your vehicle is a motorhome, you cannot get a temporary import permit (some call it a TIP) for a car/truck with a GVWR > 7,716 pounds. No if's and's or but's. I also got the same story from Banjercito officials in Mexico City, but wanted to make sure this was the truth on the border, too.

However, if your state's title does not show GVWR, but only Vehicle weight, an official smiled and said that was all she would see. So there IS a loophole, albeit a small one. It does not matter if you have a camper in the bed or your truck or not. They only care about what the title says.

This explains why some Sprinter and other camper van drivers had their application for a TIP denied. Their vehicles were listed as passenger vehicles on the title. This also explains why some people are having no problem driving an F-350 and towing a trailer. Their states don't list the GVWR. I did specifically ask if a truck pulling a trailer was treated the same as any other truck and it is.

If you know any RV park owners in Mexico, or have any contacts with Tourism, pease bring this plight to their attention. This could put a serious dampener on their business.

Hi Tequila and all of you...I should have a reunión with some tourist departament officials and to that specific questions on big trucks, and others. As soon as I get the answers I will post them.....

It may spell some confirmation of changes but it needs to be in writing. Asking questions from different border agents only brings different answers.

I will definetely try to do my permit on line so I do not get blindsided at the border

Yes, probably be OK at the northern border and just staying in Mexico, but this all started with an overlander getting the 10 year tip coming in from the north, exiting south and then returning north when they were stopped on the basis that the original TIP was issued in error.

At least the latest info shows there is a logical basis for what has happened rather than is just being a low act by one specific border post.

I have a bit more info this morning. I have actually been in contact with someone who was refused a permit on a 3/4 ton trying to cross over from La Paz to Mazatlan. He eventually convinced them. On Banjercitos online sign up website, the English and Spanish statements on this conflict. Both indicate that they should not be using GVW. On the Spanish version they state trucks with over 3500 kg cargo capacity. Cargo capacity is of course, GVW minus net weight. For most pickups, this will definitely be under 3500 Kg. On the English version, they state the weight of the truck. I also have a pdf of descriptions of vehicle classifications. Now, I am thinking it would be prudent to take your truck, unloaded to a commercial scale like you see along many highways and have them weigh it, give you a slip and even ask them to put the VIN on that slip, as well as your plate. If they won't do it, most garbage transfer stations open to the public have scales. At least then you have an official looking document with your trucks actual weight as argument. Download the 3 documents Ido have at this address and print them out: Notice the 2 are actual screen shots.


http://www.mexicocaravan.com/permits/banjercito1.jpg

http://www.mexicocaravan.com/permits/banjercito2.jpg

http://www.mexicocaravan.com/banjercito3.pdf

Now I have also heard of them examining the actual sticker on the truck door. I have never experienced this at Nogales where your vehicle is a long walk away, so crossing there is probably not a bad idea. My previous truck was missing this sticker, so another piece of advice may be to peel it off and store it elsewhere until you sell the truck. Then go to a commercial scale and get an official looking slip of your trucks unloaded weight to carry with you. See if they will put the VIN number on it besides the plate.

My registration shows both curb (net) weight and GVW, 2740 and 5100 kg respectively. It is very easy to scan the document, use a program like paintshop pro to eliminate the GVW figure, then apply on line. Since you do not have to use the original registration to apply on line, they would take the net weight figure, which looking at their web site is the one they should be using anyway. Of course if your registration only shows GVW then that is not an option.

My partner is still working on this issue. Things move slowly in Mexico but hopefully he will have some sort of resolution before next season.