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relaxin
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Apr 28, 2022

reservation system cheating still prolific in ontario parks.

Exploring Ontario parks, Looking at campsites for the thanks giving weekend (CDN), I usually and have for the past few years gone for the entire week before thanks giving, it amazes me how many sites are already booked and for 21 or more days in advance, as we technically can't book that weekend until next week, in showing up I happen to notice in the past couple years the level of bookings at this time does not reflect the number of occupied sites when I get there.

I know I know, is it hurting me?, ummmm in some ways yes, being empty nesters, we are trying more off season travel as the parks are a little quieter during the week, and this BS is tying up sites when we are trying to reserve for the end of september and a lot of the premium sites are taken then will be canceled a couple months from now. We all know its worse during the summer when jockeying for sites for one of our 4 long weekends sites are booked well in advance then canceling later screwing anyone who is trying to book other times around those weekends.

I wish Ontario parks would develop a 0 tolerance policy, and when a person pulls this BS more than once they get a warning on the first time, the next time they loose their entire reservation. having a family emergency and having to alter plans is one thing, but if it happens every year or multiple time each year, that's a clear indicator the person is cheating the system. It is hard enough to plan and get trips booked in this park system, as they have not been growing with the population or the increasing trends of this activity by adding campsites or new parks.
  • ReneeG wrote:
    toedtoes wrote:
    The "must occupy the site on the first night of the reservation or you forfeit the entire reservation" is the standard to thwart this.

    Some folks don't like it for various reasons, but it does stop the behavior.


    This doesn't always work. We have a favorite FS CG here and they have this policy, but we've seen the reservers not show on the first, second, third nights and yet the site is still empty!


    There are three things at play here:

    1. just because a reservation is forfeited doesn't mean the site will be filled by another camper. This only opens up the site to folks who drive to the campground looking for first come first serve sites, or for people to make reservations online two-four days out.

    2. it doesn't work if the individual campground doesn't enforce it. It requires a camphost or ranger to check the campsites each day at checkout time to see if it was occupied or not.

    3. If the campground isn't booked solid, they may not worry about it as there are other spots available.
  • toedtoes wrote:
    The "must occupy the site on the first night of the reservation or you forfeit the entire reservation" is the standard to thwart this.

    Some folks don't like it for various reasons, but it does stop the behavior.


    This doesn't always work. We have a favorite FS CG here and they have this policy, but we've seen the reservers not show on the first, second, third nights and yet the site is still empty!
  • Here in BC they updated “again” this year the BC Parks reservations system.
    You can’t book a reservation more than 2 months in the future. So like today is April 28th, you can now book June 28th, however you can with that reservation book the 28th and up to 14 days after that.
    You can only book 14 days at a time per campsite.
    You loose your reservation completely if you don’t occupy that site by 11:am the next day, after date of arrival.
    Can’t modify a reservation, so if you book a 7 day reservation, you can’t go back in and cancel a “couple” days on either end.
    However you can cancel the entire reservation with restrictions ( ie. penalties, cancellation limitations)
    It’s not perfect, but it’s getting better.
  • The "must occupy the site on the first night of the reservation or you forfeit the entire reservation" is the standard to thwart this.

    Some folks don't like it for various reasons, but it does stop the behavior.
  • Not just Ontario, common at with many public park systems.

    The fact is the parks are very busy and people struggle to get reservations. People treat it kind of like doing your taxes. If the system accepts it, people will do it.

    I do think there are things they could do to minimize some of the games but I'm not sure how much political will there is to fix the problem.
    - Limit reservation modifications. In particular the start date. Because the systems open reservations X days out, people figured out, book X+7 days before the start of a holiday weekend and you get in before people doing a legitimate booking for the holiday weekend. Maybe change it so the arrival date can't be changed by more than 2 days without making a completely new reservation (assuming there are available sites). That would address 99% of legitimate changes but reduce the majority of people gaming the system.
    - Some people will simply pay for extra days to get a popular weekend. Public parks tend to be lower cost, so if the alternative is no site, they may be willing to pay an extra $100-150 if it gets them the site even if they don't use those nights. I'm not sure if it's still the rule but for Michigan state parks, it used to be, you had to have the RV (or tent) in the site and you had to stay overnight. That largely took care of this issue because if you didn't show up, you lost the reservation.
  • Believe it or not but this has been going on for over 35 yrs. That's when we gave up on Provincial Campgrounds and bought a cottage.