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Talleyho69
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Nov 01, 2013

Sonoyta Crossing Today

I'm sending this from San Carlos. We left Ajo, Arizona this morning, crossing at Sonoyta/Lukeville. This is, and remains our favorite crossing point.
After we checked out of the US with the man at the border-passport, entering license place, where are you going, etc, we entered Mexico, and were asked to pull to the right by a uniformed young man. He identified himself as with the Department of Agriculture, and had good English. He requested the health certificates for our dogs (very visible big ones) and one of our passports. He said he'd be back in 2 minutes and would be making copies. He was indeed back in 2 minutes. When he was gone, his female partner had one of the dogs stick her head out of the window so she could take her picture. When he returned with our documents, he said he would be checking our refrigerator. Fine! He checked the fridge thoroughly, and reminded me politely that many fruits and vegetables were not allowed into Mexico. I told him that I understood that, and that's why he didn't see much more than lettuce and tomatoes. In the freezer, he again looked hard. He specifically said he was looking for beef, and I told him there wasn't any. He saw a package of hand labeled chicken leg meat, told me that wasn't legal either, but that he wasn't going to take it because this was more an educational stop for future visits. He saw bacon, salami, ham, and a processed chicken lunch meat, but these were all legal. As he was leaving, he also said that it was important to know that beef based dog food was also not permitted. I called him back in to show him my dog food in the bathroom-chicken with rice, no beef. He was pleased. He could not have been more informative, polite and respectful, and I was the same to him.
While he was in the bathroom, he said, "Nice cat!" I didn't bother doing paper work for him, so I guess that wasn't a problem.
Paperwork: I find APHIS Form 7001 on line, fill it out, print it, and sign it each year. This is the first time I have ever shown it.
The whole thing took no longer than it did to check out of the US. I understand the issues that Mexico has with beef. Whether or not I agree with them isn't the point.

San Ementario is still open, just as in the past. We got no light, and passed through. Caborca, everyone got a green.

Later here at San Carlos, another rig came in. They had passed us this morning while we were doing our dog paperwork. They had two little dogs, which may or may not have been visible, but because the official was tied up with us, they just drove through.
End result? It's all good, they did exactly what they are supposed to do, and were very nice about it.
  • Back to the original post, we have gotten into the habit of crossing southbound ( to San Felipe ) at San Luis because we are not questioned about anything other than registrations for all the vehicles which I have ready access to.

    North-east bound we go on to Sonoyta because there is room to stop and get our fmm's canceled and at secondary I explained to the agent when anyone leaves the campo where we stay everyone else gets free stuff that we know are not allowed to bring back to the U S. She said, " Oh, I wish everyone would do that. It would make my job so much easier."
    We were there for a total of maybe 5 minutes.
  • I'll try to stick in a thought or two here without any facts to back them up. Another recent thread got off on the topic of Mexican trucks in the US. I did some research about NAFTA and the trucks and how all of that is working out. There are still some problems with all the trade agreements. One of the things I read said Mexico has restrictions on 17 agricultural products coming from the US. Whether that means they tax them or just don't allow them I do not know. I posted in the other thread the idea that there has been a push in recent years to allow the Mexican trucks into the US because the US restrictions are costing the US billions of dollars in trade with Mexico. So maybe beef is one of the restricted items due to these trade agreement problems? Maybe it has nothing to do with the quality of the products at all - but it could have to do with the problems with our trade agreements and the fact that not everything is going according to plan. Stopping a couple of steaks at the border probably means nothing compared to stopping truckloads of beef - or whatever other products are on the list - maybe it is just one of these things they do to let people know there are still restrictions and NAFTA is not fully in place??? Just total speculation on my part.

    Also - a year or two ago there was a viral video which made the news in the US for quite awhile showing a fork lift shoving a half dead cow around to get it to the killing floor. Between seeing that and what I saw many times as a trucker both picking up and dropping off loads of beef in the US I would have to say that I am not at all impressed by sanitary practices in the beef industry in the US. I have no idea about sanitary conditions in beef plants in Mexico but I would not be bragging that the US conditions are all that great.
  • There was no "some" in that statement. I quoted exactly what you said.

    You don't need to be smart guy just because I don't agree with you. Your comments have become as you say, "snarky". You want to make me look bad for some reason when all I do is tell the truth. I have facts to back up what I say.

    Is that a bad thing?
  • qtla: You did not read my post properly. I stated that some plants did not meet Federal standards. I was referring to MEXICAN federal standards, I have visited a plant in Sonora and it was awesome. They comply with HACCP and export all over the world. BUT, there are regional plants that are not up to any standard. Buying packaged meat in a super with names like Tangamanaga, Burr, Fud and others assures you will be getting a quality product. Buying unpackaged meat from some stand in a market is risky. Probably no stamp on the meat. I do business in Canada with a lot of meat plants and abbatoirs so I take an interest in what transpires in Mexico. BTW: Some of those plants that export do NOT sell their product in Mexico. It is only for export. These plants meet the high standards required by the Asian market. Others are actually USDA approved. Mexico has 2 standards for many products . One for the foreign market another for the domestic market. We buy all of our beef and chicken in Mexico and it is of high quality. But you have to be careful where you do your shopping. We are certainly fortunate to have you as the self appointed judge of the facts.

    Moisheh
  • moisheh wrote:
    I wonder why a problem with beef based dog food? Ironic that a country with meat packing plants that do not meet any kind of Federal standard worries about Dog Food?? Nogales did not even ask about pet food or open the fridge! I have never seen an agricultural inspector at Nogales. Seems to be a Lukeville thing.


    When was the last time you visited a meat packing facility in Mexico? Are you familiar with the meat packing standards established by the SAGARPA?

    Mexico exports beef to Korea, the U.S., Canada, Japan, Russia, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Panama, Puerto Rico and Costa Rica at a rate of 60,000 tons a year. So either Mexico has raised its standards or the U.S. and Canada have lowered theirs. I don't know where you buy your food in Mexico but I know where I buy mine and where it comes from.

    Not sure why you have soured so much on Mexico. Almost all of your comments recently are negative and most are made without any factual support. It is a disservice to people who are interested in traveling and living in Mexico.
  • The only crossing I have heard of a health certificate being asked for or beef is Sonoyta. One reason I use Nogales southbound. BTW do you still get visas at the border or have they moved that as well now to Caborca?
  • As stated in my original post, they are looking for raw, untreated, uncanned beef, and beef used in dry dog food. Canned stuff, didn't care. Nothing else.
  • We will be crossing Lukeville/Sonoyta next week, I do have meat based canned dog food. If he asks for it I will ask to see the list for restricted items entering Mexico. Also no health certificate for our dogs, just all their vaccination papers. I'll keep you posted on this one.
    I have had to ask for the list in Guerrero Negro once a few years back when they started asking for avocados after they had taken my limes, what are you planning on making guacamole? They couldn't come up with a list and just took the limes. This is where they also tried to charge for spraying our tires with insecticide. I had seen the commercial truck ahead of us being sprayed and not asked for a dime. Guess what it is a free service!
  • I wonder why a problem with beef based dog food? Ironic that a country with meat packing plants that do not meet any kind of Federal standard worries about Dog Food?? Nogales did not even ask about pet food or open the fridge! I have never seen an agricultural inspector at Nogales. Seems to be a Lukeville thing.