special treatment
over the past few years in a few parks the campers have become more ethnically diverse, which to me is nice to see other cultures trying to enjoy a popular pastime here. however our parks have rules a...
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here is the letter from Ont parks
Hi XXXXXX
Thank you for your concern and interest in the parks system. At Ontario Parks we are dedicated to fairness and equity. In administering programs and services and responding to problems, staff are to treat the public in an impartial manner. All rules apply to everyone.
Our maximum persons per campsite rule is incredibly important. Ontario Parks' primary mandate is to preserve the environment, while offering world class, sustainable recreational opportunities. The six person limit is meant to help maintain the quality of the natural spaces in which recreational activities are pursed and enjoyed so that future generations can also enjoy our beautiful provincial parks.
While we try our best to limit the number of campers per site at the reservation and check in level, sometimes the rules are broken. Park wardens also strive to enforce park policy equitably on-site and to identify situations in which provincial park rules are not being followed; however, it can be difficult to ensure everyone in the park is abiding by all the rules at all times. We ask that when you see problems you report them to the park office or to a park warden. They will be able to investigate and deal with the issue at hand and should do so with impartial judgement and fairness.
We are all responsible for maintaining our provincial parks. Reporting situations where problems are exist ensures the longevity and quality of the natural environment in our parks.
Thank you again for your concern and support.
Regards,
Ontario Parks
...with my letter to them...
Comments:
Q: How many people are allowed on a car-camping site?
A: No more than six people can occupy a campground campsite unless these people comprise a single-family unit consisting of parents, and their children
this is listed in your Q & A and can be read in many of the park pamphlets and I would assume that this rule applies to everyone equally no matter what ethnic background they are.
over the last 3 years at different parks I have seen where there is "A"
campsite with 2 to 3 large size tents 8 or more person capacity each, 3 or more cars parked on the site and anywhere from 8 to 16 people on one site, whether they sneak them in or register them legally I have no idea, but the cars are a give away, yet nothing is done about the amount of cars on a campsite listed for 2 max.
I was recently at a park in southwestern ontario and on 2 sites in the section I was in there was overcrouding, one had either 15 or 16 people on it, yes they were all sleeping there there was 4 cars parked there with 3 large tents, the group consisted of 6 adults, and no less than nine possibly
10 children. the other group consisted of 3 cars and 3 large tents with what appeared to be as many as 10 or 11, later during their stay they parked a car on another site, perhaps they were caught? but they all stayed set up and sleeping on the one site.
these rules should apply to everyone no matter what their religious beleafs or culture is,,, my brotherinlaw a few years ago was not allowed to share our campsite for one night because he and his young son would have put us up to 7 on our site,,, for one night,,,now these other people can have as many as they please on a site, is it because they may scream discrimination why the park staff will not do something about it??
don't get me wrong I am not prejudice, but I do not approve of "special privileges" for "other cultures" so they can save a couple hundred dollars by only renting one site instead of 2 or 3, like any other person would have to do, when dragging along the brothers and sisters with their spouces and kids.
I did not approach the park about this as it does to a degree sound racist(a white male complaining about an east indian family), nor did I want to put them(the park staff) on the spot of having to confront them, this needs to be monitored at "check in". It was obvious that it was being avoided when 4 cars were crammed onto a site for nearly 2 days (site close to the lake) their kids had to play on the road as there was not a speck of room on the site.
If they want to camp like that then they should be renting a group camping site.
Sorry but it bothers allot of us who follow the rules, and beleive me allot of other campers were mumbling about it at the comfort station, and on walks.
If I spot it again I will bring it to the attention of park staff and the warden, as it is not fair to the rest of us who follow the rules
Hi XXXXXX
Thank you for your concern and interest in the parks system. At Ontario Parks we are dedicated to fairness and equity. In administering programs and services and responding to problems, staff are to treat the public in an impartial manner. All rules apply to everyone.
Our maximum persons per campsite rule is incredibly important. Ontario Parks' primary mandate is to preserve the environment, while offering world class, sustainable recreational opportunities. The six person limit is meant to help maintain the quality of the natural spaces in which recreational activities are pursed and enjoyed so that future generations can also enjoy our beautiful provincial parks.
While we try our best to limit the number of campers per site at the reservation and check in level, sometimes the rules are broken. Park wardens also strive to enforce park policy equitably on-site and to identify situations in which provincial park rules are not being followed; however, it can be difficult to ensure everyone in the park is abiding by all the rules at all times. We ask that when you see problems you report them to the park office or to a park warden. They will be able to investigate and deal with the issue at hand and should do so with impartial judgement and fairness.
We are all responsible for maintaining our provincial parks. Reporting situations where problems are exist ensures the longevity and quality of the natural environment in our parks.
Thank you again for your concern and support.
Regards,
Ontario Parks
...with my letter to them...
Comments:
Q: How many people are allowed on a car-camping site?
A: No more than six people can occupy a campground campsite unless these people comprise a single-family unit consisting of parents, and their children
this is listed in your Q & A and can be read in many of the park pamphlets and I would assume that this rule applies to everyone equally no matter what ethnic background they are.
over the last 3 years at different parks I have seen where there is "A"
campsite with 2 to 3 large size tents 8 or more person capacity each, 3 or more cars parked on the site and anywhere from 8 to 16 people on one site, whether they sneak them in or register them legally I have no idea, but the cars are a give away, yet nothing is done about the amount of cars on a campsite listed for 2 max.
I was recently at a park in southwestern ontario and on 2 sites in the section I was in there was overcrouding, one had either 15 or 16 people on it, yes they were all sleeping there there was 4 cars parked there with 3 large tents, the group consisted of 6 adults, and no less than nine possibly
10 children. the other group consisted of 3 cars and 3 large tents with what appeared to be as many as 10 or 11, later during their stay they parked a car on another site, perhaps they were caught? but they all stayed set up and sleeping on the one site.
these rules should apply to everyone no matter what their religious beleafs or culture is,,, my brotherinlaw a few years ago was not allowed to share our campsite for one night because he and his young son would have put us up to 7 on our site,,, for one night,,,now these other people can have as many as they please on a site, is it because they may scream discrimination why the park staff will not do something about it??
don't get me wrong I am not prejudice, but I do not approve of "special privileges" for "other cultures" so they can save a couple hundred dollars by only renting one site instead of 2 or 3, like any other person would have to do, when dragging along the brothers and sisters with their spouces and kids.
I did not approach the park about this as it does to a degree sound racist(a white male complaining about an east indian family), nor did I want to put them(the park staff) on the spot of having to confront them, this needs to be monitored at "check in". It was obvious that it was being avoided when 4 cars were crammed onto a site for nearly 2 days (site close to the lake) their kids had to play on the road as there was not a speck of room on the site.
If they want to camp like that then they should be renting a group camping site.
Sorry but it bothers allot of us who follow the rules, and beleive me allot of other campers were mumbling about it at the comfort station, and on walks.
If I spot it again I will bring it to the attention of park staff and the warden, as it is not fair to the rest of us who follow the rules
