ULSD

Guys go back and read the original posting, it is asking if anyone finds any gas station selling ULSD to post the location here, instead we get a disertation from articles that are found on the internet about refineries and whether Pemex is building new ones or not, stuff that is completlly irrelevant to the original question.

How many of you that use the ULSD in your rigs have purchased Diesel fuel and the locations, please post that information here.


navegator

Reminds me of the heated arguments that went on regarding the Nicaraguan Panama canal. Reading the newspapers and pliable readers and believers of the wacky pipe dream the gullible would believe ships were dropping anchor offshore to be first in line.

Then there's rumors of UBA Diesel in this DF periferico station then that periferico station. Pemex ships 50,000 liters of USA UBA to Veracruz by tanker, it's trucked to DF for testing and analysis, a small article appears in Excelsior, a non Spanish speaking gringo reads it and WHAM, there be UBA all over the place in hard to find indiscriminate gasolineras.

Mexico's Corruption Reforms 1-120,000 choose one (transparent mud)

Mexico's hundred fifty billion dollars in US Dollar "reserves".

Petroleos Mexicanos is all but bankrupt. Between the politicians and oil workers union, there isn't quite enough to maintain adequate refinery maintenance. Oh! But Wait There's More!

Google MEXICO REFINERY EXPLOSIONS. Don't discount Chemical data.

Remember NO BAD DAYS!

I've gotta quit - I pulled a stomach muscle.

I thought you were long haul truckers, I guess I assumed you delivered to distribution centers and not to stores and understood the business.
A person can not open a book, read chapter 6, 11 and 17 and think they have a clue what is happening. That pretty much sums up your knowledge and understanding of the business.
Twisting my statements or misunderstanding or just being argumentative is the question of the day. I never once said they were not spending money on their refineries, I said they were not building new refineries.
Do your own research if you really care.

Geez,

You seem to be getting upset that people ask questions. A few posts ago you showed a website with a news item that indicated no money is being spent on maintaining refineries. I just wonder about the other articles I read that say money is being spent.

I have no idea how Gulf will deal with getting fuel in Mexico. In the US there are refineries all over the place that sell to many different fuel supply companies - gas stations. In Colorado there is one big refinery in Denver (Suncor) and there must be 20 or more "gas station" companies buying their fuel from that refinery - sold under many names all over the state of Colorado. All the gasoline and diesel in Colorado pretty much comes from that one refinery no matter whose name is on the sign over the gas station. Some states in the US have many refineries and other states have none at all. One of the most populace states would be NY and there are no refineries - but there are several refineries in NJ. Arizona has no refineries.

To the best of my knowledge Gulf does not own even one refinery these days. They may not even produce any oil. The old Gulf Oil (Mellon Family) no longer exists but a long involved explanation says it is a name owned by someone - now operating about 2,000 stations in the US. The old Gulf was absorbed by Standard of California - now Chevron I think. So in Mexico my guess would be they will be buying from Pemex - or whoever else might set up a refinery and sell fuel in Mexico. I seriously doubt any company could profitably haul fuel in tankers all the way from the US to Mexico City. Gulf is buying Pemex stations and putting their sign up and probably buying fuel from Pemex - I have no idea why they would do this. They do not need infrastructure. They own very little in the US and have very few employees - they have intellectual property rights to a name - a name that was once one of the world's largest companies but has not been for many years. Why they want a presence in Mexico I have no idea.


Here is a Wiki listing of the largest oil refining companies in the US and the states where they operate. Also shown are some of the largest refineries. Companies few people ever heard of own huge refining companies. Company names everyone knows own no refineries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_refining_in_the_United_States


Here is a Wiki list of the world's refineries. Some ways down the list is the US and the refineries in each state. They also list the refineries in Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries


Mexico

Tula Refinery (Pemex) Tula, Hidalgo 300,000 bbl/d (48,000 m3/d)

Minatitlan Refinery (Pemex) Minatitlan, Vera Cruz 167,000 bbl/d (26,600 m3/d)

Cadereyta Refinery (Pemex) Cadereyta Jiménez, Nuevo León 217,000 bbl/d (34,500 m3/d)

Salamanca Refinery (Pemex) Salamanca, Guanajuato 192,000 bbl/d (30,500 m3/d)

Ciudad Madero Refinery (Pemex) Ciudad Madero, Tamaulipas 152,000 bbl/d (24,200 m3/d)

Salina Cruz Refinery (Pemex) Salina Cruz, Oaxaca 227,000 bbl/d (36,100 m3/d)

Geez, How do you think the Gulf Stations are going to get fuel, by tanker from Texas? They will have storage facilities in place and a distribution system. It doesn't make big news because most people really don't care but it has been published. Gulf is not buying stations, they are asking owners of existing Pemex stations to move to their business. That also has been covered dozens of times in newspapers.
The pipelines you saw are coming to Mexico and part of the energy reform. I don't recall crude ever being mentioned. Processed fuel and especially Natural Gas are the key products. Carlos Slim's construction company had the lowest bid on one of the pipelines going through Texas into Mexico where it will connect to existing pipelines.
The nature of refineries is that things wear out and need replacement. And upgrades usually happen when maintenance is approved and financed. There is news of upgrades, new converters, new style crackers published as bids are let and when work is completed but that is in existing refineries. Upgrading is a natural way of maintenance in any factory. New and improved is how things work in the world, not old and just so-so.
Everything is published in all the National newspapers when there is something to say. You have to read everyday just to keep up with what is happening.

I am not trying to argue with anyone and I do not claim to know anything. I am only bringing up and references information I have found online.

The articles I read - for which I put links on this forum - state that the work is being done. The articles mention the projects and the contractors who are doing the work. I even went to the contractors websites and saw where they show what is being done on these projects. I have no idea. I haven't been there. I have driven by some places but I do not know.

The only pipelines I know about are being built in Texas. I saw workers in Van Horn, TX and they told me there were two pipelines and that they are going to Mexico. I have no idea. I only know what I was told. I do not know if they will carry crude or whatever.

The article about Gulf going into Mexico clearly says they are buying Pemex stations and turning them into Gulf stations. They are not building infrastructure - they are buying existing infrastructure. They say they already have stations in Mexico City.

I have no idea about any of this. And I certainly don't know why they are doing it. I have never understood the investment so many are making in building new Pemex stations all over Mexico. Each year we drive past stations that are being built and months later or even years later these stations are not open yet due to whatever reasons - perhaps government permits. But why would they be doing all this investing if there wasn't money to be made? I can't make any sense of it - and I do not suggest it makes sense or has to make sense. But we do see so many new stations being built and have to wonder why.

I think there are many sides to a lot of stories. Logic does not always apply. The first time I drove through Mexico the standard rule was to buy fuel any time you saw a station - they were few and far between. Today it seems you don't go more than a few miles before you see another brand new Pemex station. Sometimes there are a lot of them in a very small area.

The G500 I mention is not the only consortium of station owners. There are other groups. Whoever these people are (maybe they are complete dummies) they are investing heavily in new stations everywhere we go. Is there a reason?

And back to the refinery improvements or whatever. As I said - the article talks about the various projects and it mentions the names of the companies who have the contracts to do the upgrades. Looking on these companies websites I have found they mention these projects as well. But then these other articles say no money is being put in and nothing is being done. So is there any truth in there anywhere?

Mexico has been upgrading refineries AND has been trying for a decade to build more. I don't understand the confusion. Before the energy reform, Mexico pretty much had to foot the bill and even has the property ready for a refinery. Now with energy reform Mexico would like investors to build a refinery ( or 2). Although companies are interested in building a refinery as of yet no one has actually done anything but talk.

Just like the pipelines you saw, that is part of the energy reform and investor built. Gulf Oil can't just start bringing tankers of fuel in without investments of infrastructure. This takes years to put the pieces in place.
These articles come up all the time in Mexico newspapers, you just have to read everyday and wait for the next one.

Here is the forum post I refer to with articles I read about investment in refineries. If you read it you will understand my confusion a little. Someone somewhere seems to be making something up it seems. Where do we find facts?

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/28985882/gotomsg/28986849.cfm#28986849

Pemex last month produced 300,000 barrels of gasoline and inported 530,000 barrels. Here are the facts: http://www.milenio.com/negocios/Cae_produccion_de_gasolina_en_Pemex-gasolinas_de_Pemex-barriles_de_gasolinas_0_817118300.html
The Pemex haters can now comment about past history again.

Pemex is probably the most corrupt entity in Mexico. Unions that make Jimmy Hoffa look like a saint. Workers who are dead and still receiving a salary. Mothballed facilities that still have employees show up and do nothing! Maybe the cartels should be running Pemex!

Moisheh