Again, Admin Opening Tongass National Forest...

Tom/Barb wrote:

2oldman wrote:

avoidcrowds wrote:
I live in Colorado, where much of our forest is dead due to pine beetle infestation, which is due to suppressing fires for too long.

I've heard a different explanation for that.

Yeah, man brought the beetle here, and now won't take care of the problem. Then they whine when it burns and call it Mother Nature taking care of the problem, we created.
When in reality the dead trees should be harvested and used, and the forest slash cleaned up.

Good forest management practices. OH but hell no the greenies won't allow that.

I can’t remember exactly where I read this, but it was on an interpretive sign in a park in CO. Possibly RMNP, or Mesa Verde. Anyway, it was explaining why all the trees are dead, and why so many had to be cut down in the campground. Long multi-paragraph sign. The very last sentence of the very last paragraph was something to the effect of “This has happened dozens of times over the last XX-thousand years”. So, pine beetles aren’t new, or even a crisis. It happens, the forest recovers, it will happen again.

I agree that the dead trees could and should be harvested. There are things that could still be made from the lumber. Ever hear of “Beetle-Kill Pine” flooring? Look it up, it’s beautiful, and expensive.

:):)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/trump-pushes-to-allow-new-logging-in-alaskas-tongass-national-forest/2019/08/27/b4ca78d6-c832-11e9-be05-f76ac4ec618c_story.html

pigman1 wrote:
Another green joke? This is a National Forrest we're talking about. Remember...The Land Of Many Uses. Not a National Park, Not a Wildlife Preserve, Not a National Monument. Anyone out there ever actually camped (RV'd) in a logged over national forest? I have in a logged over area (the Tongas)in Alaska and it was wonderful. The logging companies maintained the roads, put in campsites (they were free), and furnished free firewood. We watched a bald eagle nest hatch 3 eggs while we were there. The slope was so great we looked DOWN into the nest. But there was NO erosion.

Until the tree huggers started trying to protect every tree, the logging industry in Alaska thrived. Yes, there were abuses, but those have ceased and the current management practices work well. It's a balance, trees grow and die, streams erode with or without logging, wildlife locate to the best area for them, be it virgin forest or cut over land renewing itself with planted trees.

Lets start to get real folks. Go camp there, THEN start to see what's really happening. Watch a grizzly use the Alaska Pipeline as a super highway for travel because it's easier than traveling the tundra, watch Musk Oxen using a 1 acre field surrounded by oil pipes at Prudhoe Bay as a refuge while their calves nursed and cavorted, and watch the horses and cattle grazing within 50' of producing oil wells in the Texas Permian Basin.

The vast majority of the **** you read is some die hard tree hugger who was never there, feeding stories to gullible news writers who are looking for a headline about anything. Wake Up and SEE IT then start a reasonable conversation.

This is absolutely correct! A National Forest is about using the resources responsibly.

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Forest management is trimming the undergrowth of bushes and small trees, .

It's a lot more than that.

You must not have read the President's order. there will be no clear cutting.

What’s happening to our country that we have a contagion of idiocy (John Kelly’s word) and pathological lying?

Forest management is trimming the undergrowth of bushes and small trees, not the same as clear cutting in logging.

Harvesting dead trees due to beetle infestation is not done by loggers but by small operators who cut them in small to be able to haul them out of the forest as there is no place for big equipment to maneuver inside the forest without cutting live trees to make roads.

Seriously, would you camp beside and oil pump or even be allowed on logging roads?

Logging companies don’t even have well maintained roads on the company-owned lands, what made us think they’ll maintain or restore it in logged over national forests?

Mining, haven’t you heard of closed and abandoned mines where clean up are done on taxpayers’ dime? Never mind your delusional hope of their land restoration.

2oldman wrote:

avoidcrowds wrote:
I live in Colorado, where much of our forest is dead due to pine beetle infestation, which is due to suppressing fires for too long.

I've heard a different explanation for that.

Yeah, man brought the beetle here, and now won't take care of the problem. Then they whine when it burns and call it Mother Nature taking care of the problem, we created.
When in reality the dead trees should be harvested and used, and the forest slash cleaned up.

Good forest management practices. OH but hell no the greenies won't allow that.

All you really need to do is see the results of good forest management to see the need.

during the Carlton Complex fire in Carlton Wa the raging wild fire burned up to the tree farm and when out. That was a reality check for every government DNR worker / manager. but you can't blame them, they haven't been funded well enough to do a good job.

I wish Michigan required logging companies to maintain the "roads" they build in my forests in order to extract lumber.

These roads barely qualify as an off-road two track most of the time, and when they're done they usually block off access with a few large logs or a mound of dirt.

avoidcrowds wrote:
I live in Colorado, where much of our forest is dead due to pine beetle infestation, which is due to suppressing fires for too long.

I've heard a different explanation for that.

Bert Ackerman wrote:
. Your threads/posts, which are nothing more than baiting political hogwash, would be the first on the chopping block.

Hey.. I like baiting political hogwash!!