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ppine
Explorer II
Mar 02, 2020

Cautions about Death Valley

I have been going to Death Valley for 30 years in the winter and wandering in the desert which is a very interesting thing to do. I have taken a TT once, but enjoy going in a pickup and remote camping in the true boondocks with no one around. DVNP is the largest Nat Park in the lower 48 and is mostly designated wilderness.

Last week we visited the Saline Valley which is the remote part of the park in my friends new Nissan Frontier pickup. It took 2 1/2 hours to go around 40 miles off the highway from Lone Pine. The roads are rough, the elevation varies from about 2-6,000 feet which can be cold in winter. There was ice on the road. There is no water for 60 miles. Few people, no cell phone.

We had two maps, DeLorme atlas, and Nat Geog DVNP. We headed over Saline Range to the Racetrack. The road looked similar to the road we came in on. The familiar roads had cautions listed. The new Saline road had no cautions. About 7 miles in the wash outs started, large boulders, severe bank in the wrong direction. We backed out until we could find a place to turn around. Might be pasable with a Jeep with lockers and big tires and a winch but not really with regular 4wd pickup.

After talking to Park Service personnel, there are two other roads in the park, Steele Pass is one of them. The NPS is well aware that some of their roads are terrible after the recent wet winters. They need to put some signs up before somebody gets killed. If you wreck your oil pan or diff you are walking out a long way and there is no help out there. I will be talking with the Park Superintendent soon about it. Use caution in the most remote part of a giant desert park with no water.
  • Gary, the road in your Titus Canyon photos looks like it could be handled with a small Class C like you/we have.

    Is that the case?
  • Good post.
    It depends a lot on when you are there.
    President's Day weekend is the most popular time. I travel on week days and not then. In a day we might see 2 vehicles on the main roads, and none on roads like Lippincott. Do not have a false sense of security. Bringing water is a must if you leave the pavement as in 5 gallons. I would never go out there without food, sleeping bags, etc. Since I was there someone crunched a rental truck and left it there and hiked out.
  • We were fortunate to team up with Off-Highway, a buddy for years, that has the Jeep and skills to make it all look easy. We spent two weeks with Brian this past couple months...into the Saline from the south end...off the Panamint Springs end...to the hot springs. Had lunch a and a dip.

    I am going to enter into the fray tho..about traveling the DV roads n trails. You are never..ever, alone. There is as much traffic on those remote trails as any I have ever seen. That doesn't mean a fool should just take off and hope for the best...that won't last long. You need to have a skill set and tools, and some basic parts. A person does need to prepare to be broken and parked for a couple days...meaning food, water and a tent. You don't have to get a sat phone. You don't need to get a caravan. You just have to have the smarts to know your own limitations.

    Here are two Blog posts...

    Saline Valley
    https://mrgwh.blogspot.com/2020/02/saline-valley-oasis-and-hot-springs.html

    Titus Canyon
    https://mrgwh.blogspot.com/2020/02/titus-canyon-in-death-valley-and.html


    Gary Haupt
    I so wish I proofed before submitting
  • ppine, you can rent a sat phone from places online. I once rented a Spot tracker from a guy on advrider.com for 3 weeks. It was nice as he gave me a link where friends could follow along online.
  • Too rich for me. Lots of people show up from LA with fancy rigs like that, Ecoroamers and other trust funder vehicles.

    The weather is usually good in late winter and spring. We like a pickup, a cooler and a couple of cots. A warm sleeping bag is good for below freezing nights. The simplicity is what makes traveling in the desert so rewarding and so much fun.
  • Thanks.
    Two vehicles is a good idea. I just don't know anyone else that likes to go out to the remote areas.
    Sat phone is a great idea.
    Lippencott Mine Road is the other name for the road we gave up on.
    I agree that the NPS tends to discourage people with overly cautious signs. Thats why no signs on one of their worst roads surprised me.
    Mengle Pass is the bad road in the park besides Lippencott.
  • Just had my F150 through Saline Valley and over Steel Pass in November. Listed as most difficult but only used 4WD twice for maybe 200 yards each. (was east bound) These are completely unmaintained roads, go with caution and keep your wits about you. Take a few days rations and water even in Winter.

    Saw dozens of Class C RVers in Saline Valley along with many vans and tents. Saw a small plane land on the air strip out there too. Seemed very busy.

    Did I mention I love DVNP? Lucky to get out there every couple years.

    I think I saw that bolder in the road between Jackass Canyon and Hunter Mountain cut-off. Ranger warned me about it but seemed easy to get around. But conditions can change quickly when there is rain.

    Rangers will almost always describe the hazards as more difficult than they are and discourage back country tourism. When I was there NPS was in process of removing a truck high-centered on Lippencott Mine Road. Was a rental and the visitors just abandoned it.
  • Nv Guy wrote:
    This is exactly why one shouldn't venture into the wilds alone. We don't.
    One wrong move and things can get serious very quickly.
    Signs are good to a point, but one good storm and what was moderately hazardous becomes an extreme danger.


    Seems like good advice to me. We can't saddle the parks people with looking out for us - no matter what chance we take.
    Like sailing, maybe if you want to go into remote area's alone then you should invest in a Sat. Phone and of course, a GPS or two.
  • Nv_Guy's avatar
    Nv_Guy
    Explorer III
    This is exactly why one shouldn't venture into the wilds alone. We don't.
    One wrong move and things can get serious very quickly.
    Signs are good to a point, but one good storm and what was moderately hazardous becomes an extreme danger.

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