Defacing National Parks

korbe wrote:
.......And when the Indians did it, I believe it was called something different. :)

It absolutely amazes me that someone would use this as a comparison to justify such irresponsible actions.

Register Cliff Wyoming

Been happening for a LONG time. Now it is history! Was wrong then and still is.

It is truly a sad thing to see such disrespect for our National Treasures. Nearly as bad is all the litter people leave behind. Two springs ago we were visiting the Wichita Mountains Wildlife Refuge in SW Oklahoma. While there a large group of about 30 people showed up. They were loud, played very loud music and even invaded the picnic spots of others including ours by kids running around and asking for handouts of soft drinks and such. When their outing was over and they left the area, they left all (and I mean All) of their trash on the ground and on the tables. Trash receptacles were within 20'. It was the worse mess I have ever witnessed in such a setting. I thought about that television commercial from the 70's where the Indian looked at all the litter and a tear ran down his cheek. I reckon that image came to me because it was a Native American church group. Please don't label me as racist. That I am not! Just sharing the truth of what I saw.

toedtoes wrote:

MNGeeks61 wrote:
"A quick glimpse at the handiwork by Nocket, the goblin topplers or the hundreds of tourist names inscribed on the rockface below will demonstrate that some people just don't get the idea of leaving a place better than when you found it."

I was thinking it was generational too...how many of us here were taught this lesson? Or better yet: "It's not my property, I will not deface it."

It's not generational. People have been marking trees, rocks, etc., forever. Regardless of whose property it's on. People have been taking home "souvenirs" of rocks, petrified wood, etc., forever.

Laws about it have been made because it's been a problem for a long time and has been shown to destroy the value of the parks - not because this generation has no respect.

Very true, there are places where members of the Roman legions carved their names into and onto cave and building walls. Ramses II had his cartouche carved into columns and buildings over older carvings.

Don't take the above statement as tacit approval of what that person has done. I hate graffiti in almost all places, but especially on places that are still pristine.

I was in Yellowstone Nat'l Park in the late 70's and watched a trailer stop at a turnoff, and a woman got out, broke off a large piece of calcite, this was near some hot springs, and hopped back into the vehicle and away they went. I was stunned.

Litch wrote:

korbe wrote:
.......And when the Indians did it, I believe it was called something different. :)

It absolutely amazes me that someone would use this as a comparison to justify such irresponsible actions.

I am surely not attempting to justify irresponsibility, just stating something to think about.

fj12ryder wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

MNGeeks61 wrote:
"A quick glimpse at the handiwork by Nocket, the goblin topplers or the hundreds of tourist names inscribed on the rockface below will demonstrate that some people just don't get the idea of leaving a place better than when you found it."

I was thinking it was generational too...how many of us here were taught this lesson? Or better yet: "It's not my property, I will not deface it."

It's not generational. People have been marking trees, rocks, etc., forever. Regardless of whose property it's on. People have been taking home "souvenirs" of rocks, petrified wood, etc., forever.

Laws about it have been made because it's been a problem for a long time and has been shown to destroy the value of the parks - not because this generation has no respect.

Very true, there are places where members of the Roman legions carved their names into and onto cave and building walls. Ramses II had his cartouche carved into columns and buildings over older carvings.

Don't take the above statement as tacit approval of what that person has done. I hate graffiti in almost all places, but especially on places that are still pristine.

I was in Yellowstone Nat'l Park in the late 70's and watched a trailer stop at a turnoff, and a woman got out, broke off a large piece of calcite, this was near some hot springs, and hopped back into the vehicle and away they went. I was stunned.

The one that affected me the most was when I saw the Titanic exhibit. They had the replica of the iceberg on display and people of all ages were carving their names into the ice. I actually cried seeing them get excited about writing their names on what was truly a representation of so many deaths. I thought then and still think today that our society has lost empathy (all ages).

korbe wrote:

Litch wrote:

korbe wrote:
.......And when the Indians did it, I believe it was called something different. :)

It absolutely amazes me that someone would use this as a comparison to justify such irresponsible actions.

I am surely not attempting to justify irresponsibility, just stating something to think about.

They also did not have the means to chart their history in journals and computers like we do today. Just stating something to think about.

Litch wrote:

korbe wrote:

Litch wrote:

korbe wrote:
.......And when the Indians did it, I believe it was called something different. :)

It absolutely amazes me that someone would use this as a comparison to justify such irresponsible actions.

I am surely not attempting to justify irresponsibility, just stating something to think about.

They also did not have the means to chart their history in journals and computers like we do today. Just stating something to think about.

I wonder if the Indian petroglyphs were done to chart their history or is it that we just use those carvings to chart their history.

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Nov 1,2015 seems to be the most recent info.

May end up not being pursed :S


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Thanks for the link. It does seem to be dragging out, and only a misdemeanor. You're probably right about the NPS not doing anything, which will send a message to future wannabe artists that nothing will happen if they continue to deface our National Parks.

korbe wrote:

Litch wrote:

korbe wrote:

Litch wrote:

korbe wrote:
.......And when the Indians did it, I believe it was called something different. :)

It absolutely amazes me that someone would use this as a comparison to justify such irresponsible actions.

I am surely not attempting to justify irresponsibility, just stating something to think about.

They also did not have the means to chart their history in journals and computers like we do today. Just stating something to think about.

I wonder if the Indian petroglyphs were done to chart their history or is it that we just use those carvings to chart their history.

If she would stick to painting her own home I am sure someone would find it interesting in 2000+ years.
If she wants to paint the forest blue then she should purchase it and do what she likes.

I doubt she would appreciate every artist painting their free spirit in her house.