Thanks for all the suggestions, we will check them out!
As to the discussion about the North vs South rim of the canyon
I was first there with my family when I was about 12 and tented on both rims and loved it all. even went o a mule ride down into the canyon.
Went back with my kids about 20 years ago and we loved the north rim, but the south was so touristy that after watching busloads of swarming tourists my 17 year old sons comment was "it's as bad as Disneyland, but without the rides!"
So I have no plans to ever go back to the South rim.
Dave
