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- Mortimer_BrewstExplorer II
soren wrote:
CharlesinGA wrote:
I agree it is a ripoff. Will probably stay at Spearfish City Campground and rent a car to get around. Will still have to pay the park entrance fees or buy the annual pass. arrgh!!!
Charles
Yes, because clearly, as an out of state resident, you have a God given right to enjoy one of the greatest state parks in the nation, while contributing zero towards the massive burden of maintaining and improving it. Let the citizens of South Dakota pay for it, even it the vast majority of users are from out of state, or from another country. After all, it's all about you. I feel your pain.
Tourists added $2.5 BILLION to the South Dakota economy in 2016. If the parks is short on money the state has some responsibility to use an adequate amount of the taxes generated for upkeep.
No one is forcing you to go there. - sorenExplorer
DutchmenSport wrote:
soren wrote:
CharlesinGA wrote:
One thing we did NOT do was pay to see Crazy Horse. Here is one attraction "I" personally felt was a ripoff. Besides, you can see the monument from the road.
Rip off? Well? only if YOU think so. If so, don't go! We made that choice on one attraction.
Sad to see that you missed a great stop. Crazy Horse is not only a monument to the Plain's Indian tribes, but to the unimaginable drive of one man who decided to build the world's largest monument, even though he knew he, and his children, would probably never live to see the completion. Not only is it an ongoing project, but it is a great place to spend a few hours while touring several museums, watching a short documentary of the project, and learning about how one man's vision and drive could literally move a mountain, and create a spectacular piece of art.
I've done just about everything there is to do in the Hills, and it's pretty rare to find any real rip-offs. I've never had the urge to try out the Cosmos Mystery area, or the Presidential busts up in Lead (apparently I'm not alone on that one, since it closed) I wasted a bit of money on the National Woodcarving Museum, which was awful, and a bit more on the Borglum story, in Keystone, which isn't as good as the free museum and film at Rushmore. The interesting part of the area is that you can spend a few weeks there every summer and still not cover it all. This past year we rented a UTV and end up deep in the back woods of the northwestern hills, in areas few tourists will ever see. Nothing but cows, old gold mines and ghost towns. Just Beautiful. - ChuckV1Explorer
Alabama Jim wrote:
When we go there we like to stay at Chris's RV Park in Spearfish. It is an hour drive to Custer, which is an awesome park to visit. Spearfish is also convenient to Spearfish Canyon and the waterfalls as well as Deadwood.
I'll second it :D Chris's is a really nice Rv Park, nice folks an great sites :) Stayed there a couple of times an always friendly an helpful an lead you to you site and make sure your happy with such ...
Safe Travels - DutchmenSportExplorer
soren wrote:
CharlesinGA wrote:
I agree it is a ripoff. ...
Charles
...the vast majority of users are from out of state, ...
One thing I've learned over the years, if you REALLY want something, you've got to pay the price to get it. It may be monetary, time, or one's resources and energy, but anything of value costs!
When we were in the Black Hills - Custer area the first 2 weeks in July this year, we did not find prices of anything overly extravagant. Actually, compared to some other parts of the country, prices for everything were pretty much right in line.
We stayed at Buffalo Ridge Campground. It's a Good Sam associated campground. Their prices, in my opinion, were right in line with other Good Sam campgrounds we've stayed at, all the way from Florida, to Indiana, to Virginia, to Southern Missouri, to South Dakota. We made reservations early, got a good deal, paid well in advance, so it was not taxing on the finances one little bit. We also paid for our daughter's campsite, about a month after we made our reservations, and we got lucky and was able to rent one of the TP's for one night. Even the TP's rents were reasonable. Considering the amenities at the park, the close proximity to virtually everything, and a once-in-a-lifetime experience, the price was well ... WELL within reason!
Yes, the campgrounds and attractions have their overhead expenses. But consider entrance fees to Disney World or Six Flag amusement parks, at over $100 a day for a single person, and $40 a night at a campground for an entire family and full hook-ups at that, is .. well ... chicken feed.
How about the various attractions?
The pass into Custer State Park is $20 and good for 7 days. I thought the price was a little high at the Reptile Zoo, especially when adding the cost of 4 adults and 4 kids. But, call it customer "gouging"!??? No! They have their costs and if you are not willing to pay, well ... simple ... go away! NOTHING is twisting your arm to go there, no one is putting a gun to your head to go. It's YOUR choice. If the cost is too high, you can walk away.
For us, it was an experience of a life-time! We knew there would be costs, we save for it, planned for it, and then enjoyed spending it!
What about other costs in the ENTIRE area? We ate out a lot as we were on the road. We purchased a ton of gifts and trinkets for friends and family back home. From the Custer State Park sweatshirt, to the Corn Palace T-shirt, or the buffalo purse for my wife, or the stuffed buffalo plush toy for my grandson at home, or the local craftsman sign maker who made us our "Love Shack" sign for the camper, we so nothing extravagant with prices for anything, anywhere while there.
We left with $1200 spending money --- cash --- and returned with $700 still in our pocket! That included all attractions, food on the road, and every other crazy thing we ended up doing on some of those spur of the moment events, totally unexpected 2 weeks of, not having a clue what to expect, because we've never been there before experinece.
Should the citizens of South Dakota foot the bill for all of this stuff so tourists, like myself, expecting everything to be handed out? Absolutely not! As a consumer, I have the responsibility to pay the price, support the cause, and pay the bill. Otherwise, I have the option to go somewhere else.
One thing we did NOT do was pay to see Crazy Horse. Here is one attraction "I" personally felt was a ripoff. Besides, you can see the monument from the road.
Rip off? Well? only if YOU think so. If so, don't go! We made that choice on one attraction. - sorenExplorer
CharlesinGA wrote:
I agree it is a ripoff. Will probably stay at Spearfish City Campground and rent a car to get around. Will still have to pay the park entrance fees or buy the annual pass. arrgh!!!
Charles
Yes, because clearly, as an out of state resident, you have a God given right to enjoy one of the greatest state parks in the nation, while contributing zero towards the massive burden of maintaining and improving it. Let the citizens of South Dakota pay for it, even it the vast majority of users are from out of state, or from another country. After all, it's all about you. I feel your pain.
BTW, if you do decide to crack your wallet open, and pay your fair share, chances are, you will be handing your money to a volunteer. One of hundreds from around the country that donate hundreds of hours of their time, every summer, to make sure that you enjoy your visit. - sorenExplorer
Alabama Jim wrote:
When we go there we like to stay at Chris's RV Park in Spearfish. It is an hour drive to Custer, which is an awesome park to visit. Spearfish is also convenient to Spearfish Canyon and the waterfalls as well as Deadwood.
Maybe an hour in a helicopter? More like 1-1/2 to 2 hours, depending on traffic. It's seventy miles of twisty roads between them. Having spent many months there, camping, for the last twenty years, one thing that is obvious is that a through visit to the Hills really needs to be divided into two parts, northern and southern. Custer, Custer State Park, Hot Springs, Hill City, the big caves, Crazy Horse, Rushmore, and Keystone, are best enjoyed while camping in the area. OTOH, Deadwood, Lead, Spearfish, Sturgis, Bear Butte, and maybe even a day trip to the Devil's Tower, are great from locations like Chris's. Rapid City is an easy trip from both ends of the Hills, and if you are coming from the east, it's best to do a stop, even overnight, in the Badlands, before you get to the hills, instead of staying in the Hills and backtracking for a day trip. - zigzagrvExplorer
DutchmenSport wrote:
Good luck!
Can you find my wife in this crowd in Sturges?
Bottom, front and center? - CharlesinGAExplorerCenter Lake Campground is a "same day reservation" meaning walkup, but you get ripped for the reservation and fees you have to make. Center Lake has no hookups, just a faucet here and there and showers and toilets. You cannot reserve Center Lake sites in advance.
Everywhere else in Custer you must have a reservation and you can reserve a year in advance. Other SD state parks you may only reserve 90 days in advance.
I agree it is a ripoff. Will probably stay at Spearfish City Campground and rent a car to get around. Will still have to pay the park entrance fees or buy the annual pass. arrgh!!!
Charles - RoadpilotExplorerWe have stayed at the KOA in Custer, the Rafter J Bar in Hill City and Elkhorn in Spearfish. These cover the range from the south to the northern areas you're likely to want to see.
Custer State Park is beautiful and if you can get a site that suits you I'd do it, but realize you'll be on the southern end of a very interesting area. 3 weeks ago we were at Elkhorn, which is a beautiful campground north of everything.
I'd recommend looking at the Rafter J Bar, which is in the middle of everything. There's also a KOA near the Rater J Bar that others have liked. - linnemjExplorerWe stayed at Game Lodge Campground a few years ago and enjoyed it. I actually enjoyed Custer SP more than Yellowstone that trip.
We all would like to pull up at any Campground on any given day and pick a site. I am afraid those days are pretty much over! To reserve inside the Grand Canyon (North Rim), Rocky Mountain NP, ZionNP, Kodachrome SP, and Dead Horse SP - we had to book the first available day and time, usually 6 months out, and still didn't get a site at one park. We are going when school is in session this fall.
RV sales are booming! There will continue to be more pressure on popular parks.
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