Well as an amateur I would like to say that I agree, sort of. I try to be a courteous camper. I like state parks best. I don't want to feel like I paid to go stay in a parking lot. I enjoy trails and water and nature. That said, we stayed this weekend at Torreya SP in Florida. It does take me a minute to get backed in and set-up, but I have worked hard to make sure that for the most part I know what I'm doing. After that, I am quiet and courteous of my neighbors. I do enjoy cooking outside, and we have been known to have a raucous marathon of Uno, but we don't drink like college students, we are there to spend time with our daughter as a family. Don't misunderstand, we do drink some spirits and enjoy the time, but it's not a contest to see who can pass out first. The entire campground was full, mostly tent camping which when I see a family out together tent camping cooking breakfast over a fire and hiking etc. I love it, I'm sure that they are making memories for their children that will carry them through life. That's not who we were next to. My neighbors drank profusely and screamed bring me another beer, swore a lot, played all kinds of games that they were very passionate about, and stayed up until the wee hours of the morning talking. We made the best of it. Actually there were so many people there not enjoying their surroundings that my daughter and I didn't see a single soul when we walked our dog on the weeping wall trail, and there were very few people touring the Gregory House. You don't have to be an amateur camper to be rude, and you don't have to be a full timer to have some class.