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przao
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Jul 20, 2017

Fighthing the heat: running a second A/C in a 30A rig

The first of several modifications to tailor our rig to exactly what we want.

Actually the original RV A/C unit plus a portable heat pump we're using as the additional A/C unit.

My wife vocally complains about the heat here in the desert southwest and wanted a cooler rig else we would not be traveling to hot areas. I wanted an easy solution so came up with this modification to our under-powered 5th wheel.

My method is not exactly pretty, but it required minimum work to get it operational. There are now two ways to connect the second A/C unit to the park power supply:

  • Using the existing 30A cable and a second 20A cable - I added an additional NEMA L5-30R power inlet. I understand this might not be usable in all parks because the 20A and 30A park sockets are wired on the same 3Aa source.
  • Using a new 50A power cord and a "Y" splitter adapting the 50A cord to two 30A plugs, then to the rig


I left the original 30A circuit RV completely alone and added the second power inlet to serve a single new socket inside the rig (in the same area as the power inlets are located). That socket is protected with a 20A marine breaker, and I deliberately chose a round socket so the wife will always know that anything plugged into the round socket is on the new circuit.

We now plug the 12,500 BTU heat pump into that dedicated circuit, and have the vent for the portable unit ducted outside the window where the unit is located.

We tried it out on a run to Orifino Idaho on the Clearwater river where the temperature was 105 degrees. We were very comfortable in our newly equipped rig with both cooling units running.

The 30A inlet on the left had a 20A cord attached to run the second A/C if a proper 20A outlet is available on park power


We can also connect via a 50A cord split into two 30A inlets


Inside the rig the round socket is powered by the new feed, and is protected by a 20A marine breaker (on the left_


This is the 12,500 BTU heat pump that we are using as the second A/C


The heat pump is ducted out one of the windows in the slide

20 Replies

  • myredracer wrote:
    theoldwizard1 wrote:
    I think it is a very ELEGANT solution ! More and more parks now have 50A service so your Y-cable is perfect.


    Curious - where are you finding these parks with 50 amp pedestals? The electrical code only requires 20% of a park to be 50 amps so would have to be a high end, casino, gov't or similar park where the owner has voluntarily built above min. code requirements. As of the 2005 NEC, only 5% had to be 50 amps. Just about all CG/RV parks we've been have 50 amps in very short supply and 50 amp RVs are having to use 50/30 amp adapters. 20% is ridiculously low nowadays with so many 50 amp RVs being purchased.


    I think more parks are paying attention to customer demand for 50 amp now than going with the NEC minimum recommendation. Over the past several years we've been in a number of non-resort parks, including quite few state parks, that now offer 50 amps on at least 50% of their sites. The US Forest Service campground at Salt Springs Recreation Area in Florida for example, has 50 amp service at all 106 RV sites as I recall, and some newer private non-resort parks also have 50 amp at all sites. We've even had trouble at times getting a site at some Florida state parks in the peak winter season due to entire loops being shut down while electric and roadway upgrades were being worked on that usually include adding 50 amp service.
  • TNGW1500SE wrote:
    Better solution than most but I would still not want all those plugs in the rain. Everybody does it with 30 to 50's but they're not waterproof.


    NOT EVERYBODY:W

    That is easily solved if you make you're own dual 30A to 50A dogbone like I did for under $80





    Of course my 60A system requires you to run 2 30A cords from the pedestal, but each is much easier to handle than a 50A and you only need to purchase one extra that could be used to extend your existing 30A in an emergency for an extended single 30A service.

    Larry
  • theoldwizard1 wrote:
    I think it is a very ELEGANT solution ! More and more parks now have 50A service so your Y-cable is perfect.


    Curious - where are you finding these parks with 50 amp pedestals? The electrical code only requires 20% of a park to be 50 amps so would have to be a high end, casino, gov't or similar park where the owner has voluntarily built above min. code requirements. As of the 2005 NEC, only 5% had to be 50 amps. Just about all CG/RV parks we've been have 50 amps in very short supply and 50 amp RVs are having to use 50/30 amp adapters. 20% is ridiculously low nowadays with so many 50 amp RVs being purchased.

    One thing to be aware of when using the 20 amp recept. in a pedestal for a high draw appliance like this for a 2nd AC is that voltage drop could be an issue. The NEC does not provide for both a 20 and 30 amp recept. being used at the same time. Depending on distances from a pedestal to power source, how many other RV-ers are running AC units, and age of a CG and how it was wired, you can end up with low voltage. Low voltage will cause irreversible & cumulative damage to an AC unit.

    Use a permanent LED voltmeter inside, either plug-in or wall-mounted. Best is an EMS unit but for two supplies to an RV like this would need two of them for full protection. Just because an AC unit *seems* to start and run okay doesn't mean it's not suffering damage.

    All pedestals have a 20 amp GFCI recept. by code. Newer CGs will have loop-fed pedestals which should be much less of a concern for low voltage. If you have less than 105 volts, you should turn them off.
  • Thanks for the comments gents!

    @ScottG - thanks for the info on the 100A pedestal - I was thinking that might the case but was not sure. It is nice to have the option of using the 50A or the separate 30A and 20A outlets.

    I've not ever seen the perfect rig for me, and my current Rockwood Signature Ultralight fiver is no exception.

    In order to use the microwave, I needed to flick a foot switch to turn off the fireplace, so the electrical modification in this post takes care of that - I put the fireplace on the new 20A service so I can now use the fireplace and microwave at the same time (I do not ever use the new A/C and fireplace at the same time). I guess that isn't a huge improvement, but I make the coffee for the missus every morning and most often have the fireplace running to supply a little heat to warm the rig. It was a regular annoyance to have to turn off the fireplace, flick the foot switch, and reprogram the microwave in order to use it.

    A few other modifications that have made the wife happy:

    • Magnetic door stop so she need not latch the front door when she wants to keep it open
    • Cabinet knob on the screen door so you can close it from the outside (I don't know why that plastic slide is not equipped with that from the beginning)
    • 2 new Fantastic Vents to quickly flush the rig of hot air after the long drive
    • Replacing a useless ceiling fan with a high output LED


    Lighting has always been a problem in my rig (I have old eyes) so I wanted to ass LED light strips under the kitchen cabinets like we have in our house. I purchased a strip from Home Depot and to my delight I discovered that the strip was powered by a plug-in 12V adapter! After cutting off the adapter wires, I connected the strip to the 12V supply in the kitchen and it worked perfectly. It was an inexpensive way to hugely improve the lighting in the kitchen.
  • Nice! I did something similar with an 8000 btu portable a/c unit. Works great in a TT that's borderline on needing 2 a/c units.
  • RV's are mobile aren't they? Come on up North. A hot day here in Michigan is 80, and it'll be low 60s high 50s overnight.
  • Better solution than most but I would still not want all those plugs in the rain. Everybody does it with 30 to 50's but they're not waterproof.
  • It's a great solution!
    If you have a standard 100A pedestal (50A, 30A & 20A receptacles) then the 30A and the 20A are on seperate sides of the 50A service.
  • I think it is a very ELEGANT solution ! More and more parks now have 50A service so your Y-cable is perfect.

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