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Aug 29, 2019

50A questions

Hi everyone,

I'm taking delivery of our new 5th wheel on Saturday, and it will be my first time owning a 50A camper.

I do a lot of tailgating where I'm hooked up to my Honda 2000 generator, and there are many sites we visit that only offer 30A power. Given that, I'll no doubt need to pick up some power adapters. My surge protector is also 30A, but GOOD GRIEF, a new 50A surge protector is $300+. :E

Any thoughts on what I absolutely need vs. what I can do without?

Thanks in advance!!

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I'm taking delivery of our new 5th wheel on Saturday, and it will be my first time owning a 50A camper.

I do a lot of tailgating where I'm hooked up to my Honda 2000 generator, and there are many sites we visit that only offer 30A power. Given that, I'll no doubt need to pick up some power adapters. My surge protector is also 30A, but GOOD GRIEF, a new 50A surge protector is $300+. :E

Any thoughts on what I absolutely need vs. what I can do without?

Thanks in advance!!","body@stringLength":"534","rawBody":"Hi everyone,

I'm taking delivery of our new 5th wheel on Saturday, and it will be my first time owning a 50A camper.

I do a lot of tailgating where I'm hooked up to my Honda 2000 generator, and there are many sites we visit that only offer 30A power. Given that, I'll no doubt need to pick up some power adapters. My surge protector is also 30A, but GOOD GRIEF, a new 50A surge protector is $300+. :E

Any thoughts on what I absolutely need vs. what I can do without?

Thanks in advance!!","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-08-29T14:50:06.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3302890_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":3867},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"Hi everyone, I'm taking delivery of our new 5th wheel on Saturday, and it will be my first time owning a 50A camper. 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50A questions","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302920"},"body":"Hi Me Again,

Nice explanation and a good link. Thanks!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"57","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T16:39:43.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T16:39:43.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302920","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"65","rawBody":"Hi Me Again,

Nice explanation and a good link. Thanks!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3302920_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302919":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3302919","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3302919":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:36953"},"id":"message:3302919","revisionNum":1,"uid":3302919,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3302890"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3302890"},"subject":"Re: 50A questions","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302919"},"body":"Hi,

You can do it. But it never did much for you before, and it won't protect the RV from an open neutral.

I do recommend a top of the line EMS for 50 amp RV's. And I'm a well known HATER of surge devices. So if I say you need it....well please listen.

The other option is an autoformer.

JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?
","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T16:35:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T16:35:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302919","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"535","rawBody":"Hi,

You can do it. But it never did much for you before, and it won't protect the RV from an open neutral.

I do recommend a top of the line EMS for 50 amp RV's. And I'm a well known HATER of surge devices. So if I say you need it....well please listen.

The other option is an autoformer.

JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?
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JRscooby wrote:
. Look around the house, is most of the stuff protected by surge protector?


I don't know about you but I surely don't plug my house into assorted electrical supplies of unknown quality, etc.
Not good logic
and yes, all of my expensive stuff is protected with SPS.

bumpy","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T15:17:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T15:17:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302918","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"348","rawBody":"
JRscooby wrote:
. Look around the house, is most of the stuff protected by surge protector?


I don't know about you but I surely don't plug my house into assorted electrical supplies of unknown quality, etc.
Not good logic
and yes, all of my expensive stuff is protected with SPS.

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So I ordered a GFCI breaker for the electrical panel online, only to find that area of the home had two circuits with a common neutral, so I could not use a panel GFCI breaker. I installed a GFCI outlet(one that allows downstream outlets) at the lead outlet and let it protect the other kitchen outlets.

So this issue of share neutral is not a new one. Any 240V appliance that also needs a 120V circuit is wired the same way.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T08:50:12.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T08:50:12.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302917","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"603","rawBody":"When we sold our home in 2016, the inspection noted that there was no GFCI for protection for the kitchen outlets. House was built in 1978-79 time frame.

So I ordered a GFCI breaker for the electrical panel online, only to find that area of the home had two circuits with a common neutral, so I could not use a panel GFCI breaker. I installed a GFCI outlet(one that allows downstream outlets) at the lead outlet and let it protect the other kitchen outlets.

So this issue of share neutral is not a new one. Any 240V appliance that also needs a 120V circuit is wired the same way.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3302917_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302916":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3302916","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3302916":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:26705"},"id":"message:3302916","revisionNum":1,"uid":3302916,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3302890"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3302890"},"subject":"Re: 50A questions","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302916"},"body":"
JRscooby wrote:
theoldwizard1 wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?

I guess, but as I said, connecting the two legs together will not damage any 240V appliances, if you even have any.

If you have two AC units, they MIGHT run, but they will likely never be able to start at the same time.

Worst case scenario is that you will trip the 30A breaker at the post.


I'm not sure you are standing under what I'm asking. Plug into the 50A outlet on post, to power panel in RV. Come out of that panel with a 30A SP, for the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment. Most stuff, the chance of a surge damaging, vs cost to repair is a safe gamble. Look around the house, is most of the stuff protected by surge protector?


I think you still do not under stand a 50AMP RV outlet. I has one shared neutral. This share neutral only has to carry the current of the difference of load between to two hot leads. So it one side is pulling 20 amps and the other 30 amps, the neutral only has 10 amps on it. If both sides have 30 amp loads neutral has zero amps of current flow. Take neutral away and things get damaged.

\"Electricity always follows the path of least resistance. In the case of an electrical service it always tries to go between L1 and L2 whenever possible. If you have a 20 amp load on a 120 volt L1 breaker and a 15 amp load on a 120 volt breaker on L2, 15 amps of power will shuttle back and forth between them. They will be in balance and your ammeter will read 20 amps when testing on L1. When you test on L2 you'll see 15 amps showing on your meter. If you were to clamp your meter onto the neutral wire you would see 5 amps displayed because the neutral wire only carries the imbalance between L1 and L2. If you had 20 amps running on each phase you would see zero amps on the neutral line. That's because the AC power tries to shuttle back and forth between L1 and L2. That is what is called a balanced load. You try to achieve this when locating your breakers into the panel because it minimizes the current flowing through the power company's electric meter but it's not always possible. If everything was on one side you'd be pulling 40 amps on one phase, zero on the other, 40 amps on the neutral, and 40 amps on the electric meter so you try to balance things as much as possible.\"

https://www.rvtechmag.com/electrical/chapter3.php


The best advice is to install a high quality EMS like the PI unit.

This same issue exist in commercial buildings. We had an electrican lift neutral on a circuit that feed computer equipment in one of our bank buildings in downtown Seattle back in the late 80's, it fried the equipment and the Electrical contractor had to pay for the equipment.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T08:29:28.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T08:29:28.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302916","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"3120","rawBody":"
JRscooby wrote:
theoldwizard1 wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?

I guess, but as I said, connecting the two legs together will not damage any 240V appliances, if you even have any.

If you have two AC units, they MIGHT run, but they will likely never be able to start at the same time.

Worst case scenario is that you will trip the 30A breaker at the post.


I'm not sure you are standing under what I'm asking. Plug into the 50A outlet on post, to power panel in RV. Come out of that panel with a 30A SP, for the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment. Most stuff, the chance of a surge damaging, vs cost to repair is a safe gamble. Look around the house, is most of the stuff protected by surge protector?


I think you still do not under stand a 50AMP RV outlet. I has one shared neutral. This share neutral only has to carry the current of the difference of load between to two hot leads. So it one side is pulling 20 amps and the other 30 amps, the neutral only has 10 amps on it. If both sides have 30 amp loads neutral has zero amps of current flow. Take neutral away and things get damaged.

\"Electricity always follows the path of least resistance. In the case of an electrical service it always tries to go between L1 and L2 whenever possible. If you have a 20 amp load on a 120 volt L1 breaker and a 15 amp load on a 120 volt breaker on L2, 15 amps of power will shuttle back and forth between them. They will be in balance and your ammeter will read 20 amps when testing on L1. When you test on L2 you'll see 15 amps showing on your meter. If you were to clamp your meter onto the neutral wire you would see 5 amps displayed because the neutral wire only carries the imbalance between L1 and L2. If you had 20 amps running on each phase you would see zero amps on the neutral line. That's because the AC power tries to shuttle back and forth between L1 and L2. That is what is called a balanced load. You try to achieve this when locating your breakers into the panel because it minimizes the current flowing through the power company's electric meter but it's not always possible. If everything was on one side you'd be pulling 40 amps on one phase, zero on the other, 40 amps on the neutral, and 40 amps on the electric meter so you try to balance things as much as possible.\"

https://www.rvtechmag.com/electrical/chapter3.php


The best advice is to install a high quality EMS like the PI unit.

This same issue exist in commercial buildings. We had an electrican lift neutral on a circuit that feed computer equipment in one of our bank buildings in downtown Seattle back in the late 80's, it fried the equipment and the Electrical contractor had to pay for the equipment.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":3,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3302916_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:39":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:39","position":29,"name":"Nomad","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:1336":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1336","uid":1336,"login":"enblethen","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-01-05T14:08:17.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1336"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302915":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3302915","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3302915":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1336"},"id":"message:3302915","revisionNum":1,"uid":3302915,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3302890"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3302890"},"subject":"Re: 50A questions","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302915"},"body":"The majority of the wiring in the rig is smaller gauge. Some have 14/2 w/grd and some have 12/2 w/grd. Protecting this wire with a 30 amp circuit breaker is asking for trouble.
In theory you culd add an additional subpanel powered by the 30 amp breaker. In the panel you would install the correct sized circuit breakers to protect the wire, IE 15 amp for #14 wire, 20 amp for #12 wire.
You will still not be protecting some of the items like an inverter(if equipped) or the converter. These items should be left in the factory panel.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T08:27:10.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T08:27:10.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302915","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"543","rawBody":"The majority of the wiring in the rig is smaller gauge. Some have 14/2 w/grd and some have 12/2 w/grd. Protecting this wire with a 30 amp circuit breaker is asking for trouble.
In theory you culd add an additional subpanel powered by the 30 amp breaker. In the panel you would install the correct sized circuit breakers to protect the wire, IE 15 amp for #14 wire, 20 amp for #12 wire.
You will still not be protecting some of the items like an inverter(if equipped) or the converter. These items should be left in the factory panel.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3302915_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:108257":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:108257","uid":108257,"login":"time2roll","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-03-21T19:03:16.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:108257"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302914":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3302914","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3302914":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:108257"},"id":"message:3302914","revisionNum":1,"uid":3302914,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3302890"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3302890"},"subject":"Re: 50A questions","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302914"},"body":"
JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?
Lower cost to get the 50 amp.

BTW most problems are not an actual surge. Far more common to have bad ground, over voltage, under voltage or reverse polarity. And a close encounter with lightning will go right over the surge protection.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T08:27:07.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T08:27:07.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302914","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"451","rawBody":"
JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?
Lower cost to get the 50 amp.

BTW most problems are not an actual surge. Far more common to have bad ground, over voltage, under voltage or reverse polarity. And a close encounter with lightning will go right over the surge protection.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3302914_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:258241":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:258241","uid":258241,"login":"JRscooby","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2019-06-10T15:06:40.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:258241"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302913":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3302913","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3302913":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:258241"},"id":"message:3302913","revisionNum":1,"uid":3302913,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3302890"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3302890"},"subject":"Re: 50A questions","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302913"},"body":"
theoldwizard1 wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?

I guess, but as I said, connecting the two legs together will not damage any 240V appliances, if you even have any.

If you have two AC units, they MIGHT run, but they will likely never be able to start at the same time.

Worst case scenario is that you will trip the 30A breaker at the post.


I'm not sure you are standing under what I'm asking. Plug into the 50A outlet on post, to power panel in RV. Come out of that panel with a 30A SP, for the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment. Most stuff, the chance of a surge damaging, vs cost to repair is a safe gamble. Look around the house, is most of the stuff protected by surge protector?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T07:48:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T07:48:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302913","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"937","rawBody":"
theoldwizard1 wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?

I guess, but as I said, connecting the two legs together will not damage any 240V appliances, if you even have any.

If you have two AC units, they MIGHT run, but they will likely never be able to start at the same time.

Worst case scenario is that you will trip the 30A breaker at the post.


I'm not sure you are standing under what I'm asking. Plug into the 50A outlet on post, to power panel in RV. Come out of that panel with a 30A SP, for the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment. Most stuff, the chance of a surge damaging, vs cost to repair is a safe gamble. Look around the house, is most of the stuff protected by surge protector?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3302913_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:252791":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:252791","uid":252791,"login":"theoldwizard1","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-09-07T08:13:14.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:252791"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302912":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3302912","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3302912":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:252791"},"id":"message:3302912","revisionNum":1,"uid":3302912,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3302890"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3302890"},"subject":"Re: 50A questions","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302912"},"body":"
JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?

I guess, but as I said, connecting the two legs together will not damage any 240V appliances, if you even have any.

If you have two AC units, they MIGHT run, but they will likely never be able to start at the same time.

Worst case scenario is that you will trip the 30A breaker at the post.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-08-30T07:05:50.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-08-30T07:05:50.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":418},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:3302890/message:3302912","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"521","rawBody":"
JRscooby wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to chose the most expensive, easiest damaged equipment, and feed it thru the 30 AMP SP? Feed the SP off 1 leg of the 50 AMP?

I guess, but as I said, connecting the two legs together will not damage any 240V appliances, if you even have any.

If you have two AC units, they MIGHT run, but they will likely never be able to start at the same time.

Worst case scenario is that you will trip the 30A breaker at the post.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3302912_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302911":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3302911","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3302911":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:372879"},"id":"message:3302911","revisionNum":1,"uid":3302911,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3302890"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3302890"},"subject":"Re: 50A questions","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3302911"},"body":"
Me Again wrote:
RobWNY wrote:
Here's the surge protector that I bought. $109 Link
I don't know about out West but in the Northeast, campgrounds are starting to prohibit 50A RV's from staying in 30A sites. Not all but it seems to be the trend. I ran into this problem last summer when I tried to book a site at a KOA near Pittsburgh.


I do not believe that unit will shutdown on an open neutral if it occurs while in use. It will indicate an open neutral on initial plug in.

The EMS units include this statement:
Accidental 240V Protection.

Chris


$109 junk is just that, $109 junk.
get a decent full function unit.
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Me Again wrote:
RobWNY wrote:
Here's the surge protector that I bought. $109 Link
I don't know about out West but in the Northeast, campgrounds are starting to prohibit 50A RV's from staying in 30A sites. Not all but it seems to be the trend. I ran into this problem last summer when I tried to book a site at a KOA near Pittsburgh.


I do not believe that unit will shutdown on an open neutral if it occurs while in use. It will indicate an open neutral on initial plug in.

The EMS units include this statement:
Accidental 240V Protection.

Chris


$109 junk is just that, $109 junk.
get a decent full function unit.
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