CA is canceling Red Stickers for 2022

rlw999 wrote:

nayther wrote:
This is all thanks to the AQMD. They did a study on OHV emissions based on totally bogus useage data; most OHV's are operated only hours each month. Would be surprised if the average use is more than 5 hours per month on an annualized basis yet they used some BS number 4-5x that amount to justify their draconian ****. AQMD is an independent department that does not answer to anyone, they can and do exactly what they want with no regard to economic impact, recreational use, etc.

Do you have a link to that study? The air quality regulations cover evaporative emissions as well as tailpipe emissions, which unless everyone drains the fuel from their bikes between uses, that's still a factor whether it's being ridden or not.

But I'd like to see the study that used inflated usage data.

A non-compliant 2 stroke can emit up to 50 times more hydrocarbon pollution than emissions compliant 4 stroke engines, even modern fuel injected 2 strokes emit 10 times more hydrocarbons. So even if they only run 5 hours a month, they still emit much more pollution than compliant bikes.

Anyone that's camped next to someone with a cheap 2-stroke generator knows how much worse the exhaust is from 2 stroke engines.


What is the main drawback to buying a compliant bike? Cost or performance?

Don Amador is the front line on this:
https://quietwarriorracing.blogspot.com/2021/06/r5-regional-forester-appointed-as-new.html?fbclid=IwAR0YoDw2h4s_ZZ80-LB8OVmOX3qEK1itvX6EgfN9YFm_Aguou5KOt33CpKM

Another that was involved in the study itself:
Chris Real
https://www.facebook.com/chris.real.16

I'm not going to get into it with you. You obviously have a different agenda and we're not going down that rabbit hole. I've been involved in AMA District 37 desert racing for 50+ years and in some very active capacities at various levels of the sport. You are free to do as much research as you wish. Until REAL useage numbers are used it's "convenient statistics". Data can be manipulated in so many ways but if inaccurate statistics are used the data interpretation is useless.

And if you have to ask what the difference is between two and four strokes but to compare to a portable generator then I'm done.