Ok thanks, I used to be a very short time member of Heartland forum until I guess I asked too many questions about the Lippert frames they were using. Their mod said I was a "trouble maker" and wouldn't let me post anymore. Seems like all I read was how the frames were cracking around the king pin....just amazes me how they can continue to sell this junk.
And "pressure welder" I know exactly what you mean about the shoddy welds, very scary to look up under one of the new rigs. By the way does aanaayone know if KZ 5th wheels use the Lippert frame, can't get the factory to return my calls so they are just about out of the game because of that.....thank again for the info.....Dave