Considering New 5th Wheel Toyhauler-Concerns

I have a 2017 Wolfpack 315 pack 12 with a seperate 12'garage. With my Can am X3 loaded my pin weight was at 1740#s - 12.5%. Not enough and was experiencing sway. So to get it higher I removed the Hapijack beds,couchs and the party deck fensing.
I relocated the spare from under the garage to under the bed above the Hitch and relocated as much weight foward to increase the pin weight t0 2120#s - 15.5%. Without the X3 loaded the pin weight is at 22% 600#s heavyer. I just bought new tires for the Toy hauler to replace the cheap Castlerocks with the hopes of having a better towing experience. I will find out next week as I am going on a 700 mile off road trip. So toy haulers with sepearte garages present you with a whole different set of problems. I tow it with a 2013 F250 Diesel 4x4 and would like to go to a dually however it will still not solve the light pin weight.

nayther wrote:

Vapor_Trails wrote:

nayther wrote:


Not even close to correct. There are NUMEROUS fifth wheel trailers and toy haulers that can be towed by single wheel 3/4 ton trucks. Just check payload capacity of your TV and pin weight both loaded and unloaded. Remember Toy Haulers' pin weights tend to go DOWN when loaded.

Is this just hyperbole, or are there really fifth wheel toy haulers with a 12'+ separate garage like OP wants that are within the weight limits of 3/4 ton trucks? If so, will you name a couple?

a lot are, just depends on how much you load in them. It's not "hyperbole" and "3/4" ton trucks are not all equal. Properly equipped "3/4" ton trucks have towing capacities in excess of 20k.

Tow capacity means nothing. They don't have enough gvwr for that to ever matter. Neither does my 1 ton srw for that matter.

Vapor_Trails wrote:

nayther wrote:


Not even close to correct. There are NUMEROUS fifth wheel trailers and toy haulers that can be towed by single wheel 3/4 ton trucks. Just check payload capacity of your TV and pin weight both loaded and unloaded. Remember Toy Haulers' pin weights tend to go DOWN when loaded.

Is this just hyperbole, or are there really fifth wheel toy haulers with a 12'+ separate garage like OP wants that are within the weight limits of 3/4 ton trucks? If so, will you name a couple?

a lot are, just depends on how much you load in them. It's not "hyperbole" and "3/4" ton trucks are not all equal. Properly equipped "3/4" ton trucks have towing capacities in excess of 20k.

No problem with mine, we can carry two bikes and have the essentials. Downside is no slide out. But we usually don't watch TV and stay outside and listen to music.

nayther wrote:


Not even close to correct. There are NUMEROUS fifth wheel trailers and toy haulers that can be towed by single wheel 3/4 ton trucks. Just check payload capacity of your TV and pin weight both loaded and unloaded. Remember Toy Haulers' pin weights tend to go DOWN when loaded.

Is this just hyperbole, or are there really fifth wheel toy haulers with a 12'+ separate garage like OP wants that are within the weight limits of 3/4 ton trucks? If so, will you name a couple?

N-Trouble wrote:
The influx of what I call “land yacht” 5er THs over the last 10+ years has led to this thinking.

My wife and I were having the same conversation in the RV sauna after our squash game in the garage. It's just hard to know which features to do without.

(We literally laugh that ours came with a wine fridge. We stock it with beers.)

nayther wrote:
I had a 30' Rage'n with a GVW of 13,500. Never took it to CAT scale but towed wonderfully with 2500 Duramax.

You're blanket statement regarding no 2500 has the capacity is just plain wrong.

The influx of what I call “land yacht” 5er THs over the last 10+ years has led to this thinking. Fortunately there are still some in the 12-13k GVWR that work perfectly with 3/4 ton.

I had a 30' Rage'n with a GVW of 13,500. Never took it to CAT scale but towed wonderfully with 2500 Duramax.

You're blanket statement regarding no 2500 has the capacity is just plain wrong.

nayther wrote:

twodownzero wrote:
Not even close. 3/4 ton trucks are not good for 5th wheel trailering. They do not have enough payload for anything other than a very modest 5th wheel. You will probably need a DRW truck for that toy hauler, although a lighter (2wd, regular cab, etc.) 1 ton SRW might squeek by.

Let me tell you as a new 5th wheel toy hauler owner, you definitely don't want to be pushing it on capacity. My trailer weighs about 800 pounds more than the UVW published by the company that made it. They are HEAVY!

Not even close to correct. There are NUMEROUS fifth wheel trailers and toy haulers that can be towed by single wheel 3/4 ton trucks. Just check payload capacity of your TV and pin weight both loaded and unloaded. Remember Toy Haulers' pin weights tend to go DOWN when loaded.

You're trying to make a factual argument but you haven't suggested any actual trailers with pin weights that would fit the capacity.

I personally wouldn't hitch any 5th wheel longer than about 24' to a 3/4 ton truck. "Payload" isn't just pin weight. You need capacity to keep stuff in the cab, too.

N-Trouble wrote:
Find a 12k lb 5er TH out there with a 2k pin weight. Dont exist...

Dont mix non-TH with TH. They are setup differently.

As I said, I have had both; a TH and a non-TH that both had quite low pin weight percentages.

My current toy hauler is 15.5%.

Will you find that in a 12k fifth wheel toy hauler? No idea. But on my bigger one, it happens.