Factory Pin Weight vs. Actual vs. Payload???

My 9000# dry 5th wheel weighs between 10,500 - 11,000# loaded up and rolling. The variation is largely how much water I have with me. I don't travel light and I don't bring my anvil collection. Just what I need and don't worry too much about it.

It sounds like you're looking a bit bigger but my numbers should help you gauge things a bit.

My dry pin was listed at 1950# and is about 2300# when loaded. I travel with a family most of the time and am right at (or maybe a cooler of beer over) my 10,000# GVWR. Or, over my 3000# payload (truck dry weight is right @ 7,000#).

It all adds up super quick. Be sure you're accounting for a hitch. My slider weighs 250#. Family with all their gizmos and accessories, food, water, firewood, etc, etc.

I agree that payload is not as important as RAWR and tires. As long as you're under on those I say go for it.

I'm also kind of an anti-dually guy. I know people who have them love them but it just won't work for me and the way I use my truck. I think a lot of it comes down to how/where you live and drive. I'm regularly in densely populated areas for work and have a hard enough time with my SRW. A DRW would just not work. Maybe someday when I'm working less and traveling more.

Lantley wrote:

You know the correct answer to this equation. You have done your homework and been to the sales lots. Now you just need to get over the dually stigma. You are letting the cool factor overshadow what the numbers and your own research are telling you.

Your logic is pointed and impeccable. :C

Planning wrote:

Lantley wrote:

You know the correct answer to this equation. You have done your homework and been to the sales lots. Now you just need to get over the dually stigma. You are letting the cool factor overshadow what the numbers and your own research are telling you.

Your logic is pointed and impeccable. :C

Without trying to be a douche and start and internet war, I think posts like this are BS. It's the old, "it works for me and is my opinion, therefore, it MUST be yours too."

DRW trucks just don't work for some folks.... guys that live on farms 50 miles from town should realize that.

I'm approaching 50 years old, am overweight and am heavily balding. I regularly wear sandals with socks to the grocery store, go days without shaving and rarely look in the mirror before leaving the house. I mention all this to point out that being "cool" doesn't even come close to making my radar. But I still can't/don't want a DRW truck. It just doesn't work for me or fit where I need it to fit.

mtofell1 wrote:

Planning wrote:

Lantley wrote:

You know the correct answer to this equation. You have done your homework and been to the sales lots. Now you just need to get over the dually stigma. You are letting the cool factor overshadow what the numbers and your own research are telling you.

Your logic is pointed and impeccable. :C

Without trying to be a douche and start and internet war, I think posts like this are BS. It's the old, "it works for me and is my opinion, therefore, it MUST be yours too."

DRW trucks just don't work for some folks.... guys that live on farms 50 miles from town should realize that.

I'm approaching 50 years old, am overweight and am heavily balding. I regularly wear sandals with socks to the grocery store, go days without shaving and rarely look in the mirror before leaving the house. I mention all this to point out that being "cool" doesn't even come close to making my radar. But I still can't/don't want a DRW truck. It just doesn't work for me or fit where I need it to fit.

I get your point but buying a dually is more about the weight of your rig than your outlook on life.
You can be a Tibetan Monk, a Rabbi,Buddha or the Pope.
If the rig you desire is really heavy your going to need a dually to pull it.
We try to pretend that it is a subjective decision. But once you cross the weight threshold you need a dually.
This applies to guys with full heads of hair and bald guys too. It also applies to both fat and skinny people as well. Payload doesn't care about gender either, it applies to men and women with heavy RV's.
Although if you wear sandals with black socks than your not cool enough to have a dually and must drive a SRW regardless of the weight your trailer:B.

As long as he doesntgo over the tire rating on his srw truck he doesntneed a dually. The socks probably push him over though.

nevadanick wrote:
As long as he doesntgo over the tire rating on his srw truck he doesntneed a dually. The socks probably push him over though.

E can use whatever parameter you want. I won't get into the debate.
But at some point a rig can/will be too heavy for a SRW truck and a Dually is required.
If you really don't want a dually, stick with trailers that are within the limits of SRW trucks. It's not as subjective as we want to make it. When the trailer reaches a heavy enough weight a dually is required.
The towing capacities/parameters of a dually and SRW are not equal!

Who says a srw and a drw are equal ?

Lantley wrote:

nevadanick wrote:
As long as he doesntgo over the tire rating on his srw truck he doesntneed a dually. The socks probably push him over though.

E can use whatever parameter you want. I won't get into the debate.
But at some point a rig can/will be too heavy for a SRW truck and a Dually is required.
If you really don't want a dually, stick with trailers that are within the limits of SRW trucks. It's not as subjective as we want to make it. When the trailer reaches a heavy enough weight a dually is required.
The towing capacities/parameters of a dually and SRW are not equal!

There is a point at which the pin weight is too much for a SRW truck. People have various ways of determining where that point should be but I think all will agree a new F350 SRW can handle a 5ver with a pin weight of 2700 lbs.

4x4ord wrote:

Lantley wrote:

nevadanick wrote:
As long as he doesntgo over the tire rating on his srw truck he doesntneed a dually. The socks probably push him over though.

E can use whatever parameter you want. I won't get into the debate.
But at some point a rig can/will be too heavy for a SRW truck and a Dually is required.
If you really don't want a dually, stick with trailers that are within the limits of SRW trucks. It's not as subjective as we want to make it. When the trailer reaches a heavy enough weight a dually is required.
The towing capacities/parameters of a dually and SRW are not equal!

There is a point at which the pin weight is too much for a SRW truck. People have various ways of determining where that point should be but I think all will agree a new F350 SRW can handle a 5ver with a pin weight of 2700 lbs.

I can agree with that assuming the 2700# is loaded weight and the truck is not loaded with a bunch of passengers and cargo.;)

bowler1 wrote:
Hi,
We are looking to get a 5th wheel and a truck. We have a big family so will need a big trailer. Looking at Mid Bunks, and one ton diesel trucks. I really don't want to get a dually if possible.

The campers I am looking at have pin weights in the 2500 pound range (with one at 2700). The max payload on the trucks (2018 F-350 Lariat diesel) is about 3200. That does not give me a whole lot of margin; although my family will be riding in another vehicle so may additional payload in my truck with me will be in the 400 pound range.

This puts me right below max payload with a little margin. However, that's if the pin weight is accurate. How much should this vary when fully loaded? I am not going to be living out of it full time so the cargo will not be excessive, but I really have no clue how this might affect pin weight.

Thanks
Matt

Ok, I think the OP question got lost in all the opinions but it was entertaining for awhile. Matt, you seem like a level headed guy who does his research. I was in your shoes one year ago. I never thought I would buy a DRW truck. I had a budget like you, I knew this was likely going to be my last RV purchase (hoping), and safety is the #1 priority when comes to towing because travel is all about the destination. Have you considered buying used? If you are wanting a 5ver that will push 15-16K+ loaded, trust me you will want a DRW diesel for stability towing and for climbing hills. There are plenty of well maintained used DRW's that can had for much less than your 60K budget that will get the job done. You may even have money left to buy an every day car if you don't want to drive the DRW every day. I purchased a 2009 F-450 DRW with 51K miles for less than $40K. I suggest you at least test drive one before you assume the ride when not towing is less than comfortable. You will be surprised with the F350 and 3500 DRW's from 2012 and up.

At the end of the day, these are only opinions and experiences to help you decide what is best for you and your needs. Good luck with your choice. I hope you let us know what you chose and after awhile you comment on well your towing experience is. Some day, I might buy a new to me truck myself.