with all this GREAT information from this forum and the research i have been doing for the past 6 months, i'm gonna stick with the rv consumer group ratings for full timing as we will be on the go A LOT, not staying for more than a month at one place. i heard that travelling with the fiver is like a mini-earthquake each time (lol), so i want to get it right regarding the building of it. can't afford the 100k+ new, so used it is and i know we will be happy being able to get all the bells and whistles we want without breaking our retirement fund. afterall, our 2 vehicles are used...we haven't bought new in sometime, and the layton we had back in the 80's was used and we were happy then when we were weekenders. i enjoyed reading the post about the rv consumer group and the manuf ratings...makes sense to me. since i purchased the rv consumer group ratings online if anyone wants to know a rating, give me a shout. thanks ya'll.