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jdjimenez
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Jan 23, 2014

Hitch weight may have finally become clear!!!

I went to Giant RV today to look at some 5th wheels and to try and get a clear idea of what my correct hitch weight capacity may be.

The manager goes to my truck door and says this is easy:

Add Rear GAWR of 6084
To Front GAWR of 4250 for a total of 10,334 then
Subtract GVWR of 8800 for a hitch weight capacity of 1,534.

Say what, I just lost about 300 lbs.?

Here's what I've been able to figure out:
The 8800 lb GVWR is a package because the truck came with a Trailer Towing Package. Unladen G/CGW is 6006 on the registartion so I have 2,794 lbs. to work with. I know that 6006 doesn't include fuel, passengers, etc. but still I think things are going to work.

I can't pack the truck and weight it now because I have a shoeing pack and pullout anchored in the bed currently so that's not possible. I think looking for a trailer with a hitch weight of 1800-1900 max is going to be doable and I'll be doing everything possible to beef up the back end.
  • Michelle.S wrote:
    How about on the edge of the Drivers door. Sometimes one sticker on the door pillar and the other on the edge of the drivers door.


    Nothing, I've had several people insist that I'm just missing the sticker with that info but when I show them my door they're surprised that information is not there.
  • How about on the edge of the Drivers door. Sometimes one sticker on the door pillar and the other on the edge of the drivers door.
  • dballentine wrote:
    In a word, NO. As in "NO, the manager doesn't have a clue what he's talking about."

    1534 is the amount by which you would exceed the legal/safe total vehicle weight, if you loaded 4250 on the front axle and 6084 on the rear axle.

    The front axle rating plus the rear axle rating will always exceed the maximum vehicle weight (GVW). That's so the end user will have some amount of flexibility in terms of where (front or rear) the payload is located. One person might want to hang a snowplow off the front; another an RV off the back.

    Using your truck as an example: GVW = 8800, UVW = 6000, Payload = GVW-UVW = 2800. As a guess*, let's say the UVW splits 3200 Front, 2800 Rear. You could put 1000 on the front and 1800 on the rear; 0 Front and 2800 Rear; or any combination in between. What you can't do (legally) is put more than 2800 payload in the pickup, counting passengers, cargo, hitch, and FW pin weight.

    * The only way to know these weights exactly is via a trip to the nearest truck stop that has CAT scales. Cost = $10.


    I understand that is the case, but until I remove everything from the back that is not possible. The odd thing is I may very well be over the limit right now.

    You can open the images below in another tab to see my rig.



  • Atom Ant wrote:
    Dont you have a tire sticker in the door that gives you payload without having to listen to lip service from the dealer?


    No, the only numbers on the door plague are the ones I posted.
  • In a word, NO. As in "NO, the manager doesn't have a clue what he's talking about."

    1534 is the amount by which you would exceed the legal/safe total vehicle weight, if you loaded 4250 on the front axle and 6084 on the rear axle.

    The front axle rating plus the rear axle rating will always exceed the maximum vehicle weight (GVW). That's so the end user will have some amount of flexibility in terms of where (front or rear) the payload is located. One person might want to hang a snowplow off the front; another an RV off the back.

    Using your truck as an example: GVW = 8800, UVW = 6000, Payload = GVW-UVW = 2800. As a guess*, let's say the UVW splits 3200 Front, 2800 Rear. You could put 1000 on the front and 1800 on the rear; 0 Front and 2800 Rear; or any combination in between. What you can't do (legally) is put more than 2800 payload in the pickup, counting passengers, cargo, hitch, and FW pin weight.

    * The only way to know these weights exactly is via a trip to the nearest truck stop that has CAT scales. Cost = $10.
  • Dont you have a tire sticker in the door that gives you payload without having to listen to lip service from the dealer?
  • K Charles wrote:
    That manager may not know much. GVWR minus the weight of the truck is what the truck can carry.


    yep, manager speak with fork tongue (big surprise)
  • That manager may not know much. GVWR minus the weight of the truck is what the truck can carry.