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schwipps324
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May 29, 2014

Large toy haulers stock batteries

Alright, we bought a cyclone 4100 a few months back and always noticed the battery doesn't last not time at all. I can damn near barely run the front jacks down to unhook it from the truck let alone use the leveling system without the battery dying. We just realized that it comes with one 460 cca amps battery from the factory, no wonder. Just wondering if the other brands, voltage, fuzion, etc. did this as well. Also, for those of you who have paralleled batteries for more DC power how many did you add and what cca where they? I would at least be able to go a day with out turning the generator on to charge the battery up.

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  • Golden_HVAC wrote:
    harold1946 wrote:
    lincster wrote:
    6 Volts. Only way to go. 2 of them will be night and day difference over 12 Volts.
    Costco or Sams Club.


    Please explain your reasoning.


    The pair of 6 volt batteries will last much longer. My 12 volts are now 11 years old and going strong. They have the ability to hold much more water, are much less likely to overheat while being discharged at 75 amps, or charged at 50 amps per hour.

    If you wanted to lift in a 130 pound battery, then the 8D battery is for you. Personally I can barely lift the 67 pound Trojan T-105 batteries, not the ones twice as heavy in one package.
    My 8-Ds' are 158 lb. AGMs. They have only been lifted once, when they were installed. I have never had the need to lift them.

    Others might recommend a AGM battery (absorbed glass mat) or other style battery. However the old lead acid battery is the lowest cost per KW of storage, and offers a reasonable life if you keep them full of water, and recharge them shortly after you discharge them. [COLOR=]I am not talking about cost. Lincster said 6 volts were better than 12s and I asked for his reasoning. Nothing more.


    Lithium Ion batteries like used in car battery packs are still extremely expensive, and might fail after a short time if not taken care of properly. [COLOR=]I believe that is true of any battery. Where is the savings if one is replacing golf cart batteries every two years because of lack of maintenance.

    A 20 KW battery pack found in the Ford Focus electric car is about $8,500, while you can get the same capacity with 20 golf cart batteries at $85 each with lead acid batteries. About 20% of the cost. Yet the 20 batteries at 67 pounds each would weigh in around 1,340 pounds, not the lightweight 600 - 700 pounds of the Lithium ion battery pack.


    Its simply a question of what one wants and is willing to pay. It has nothing to do with 6 volt being better than 12 volt.
  • harold1946 wrote:
    lincster wrote:
    6 Volts. Only way to go. 2 of them will be night and day difference over 12 Volts.
    Costco or Sams Club.


    Please explain your reasoning.


    The pair of 6 volt batteries will last much longer. They have the ability to hold much more water, are much less likely to overheat while being discharged at 75 amps, or charged at 50 amps per hour.

    If you wanted to lift in a 130 pound battery, then the 8D battery is for you. Personally I can barely lift the 67 pound Trojan T-105 batteries, not the ones twice as heavy in one package.

    Others might recommend a AGM battery (absorbed glass mat) or other style battery. However the old lead acid battery is the lowest cost per KW of storage, and offers a reasonable life if you keep them full of water, and recharge them shortly after you discharge them.

    Lithium Ion batteries like used in car battery packs are still extremely expensive, and might fail after a short time if not taken care of properly.

    A 20 KW battery pack found in the Ford Focus electric car is about $8,500, while you can get the same capacity with 20 golf cart batteries at $85 each with lead acid batteries. About 20% of the cost. Yet the 20 batteries at 67 pounds each would weigh in around 1,340 pounds, not the lightweight 600 - 700 pounds of the Lithium ion battery pack.
  • lincster wrote:
    6 Volts. Only way to go. 2 of them will be night and day difference over 12 Volts.
    Costco or Sams Club.


    Please explaiin your reasoning.
  • 6 Volts. Only way to go. 2 of them will be night and day difference over 12 Volts.
    Costco or Sams Club.
  • You have the wrong type of battery. The CCA indicates it is a starting battery, you need a deep cycle.
    The choises would be 2-6 volt or a single large AH 12 volt deep cycle.
    The larger the amp hours, the longer between recharges, but it all depends on the power usage.
  • Golden_HVAC wrote:
    Hi,

    If you are looking at a battery with CCA rating, and not a high "Reserve Capacity at 25 amps" then your battery might have been switched with a car battery sometime after leaving the factory and before you bought the trailer.

    Sometimes a experienced RV owner will demand two batteries from the dealership in order to make the sale, and the salesman might say "I will take one from trailer over there, nobody will know the difference" and you ended up buying that trailer.

    Here is what I would recommend, based on my battery life of 13 years when I checked the water regularly, and I was able to give those batteries to a friend, who kept using them. Golf Cart Batteries. My second set only lasted about 7 years, mainly because I was not keeping them full of water. But still that is much longer than the average 12 volt battery will last.


    I was using Trojan T-105 that came with my Fleetwood Bounder RV. I installed a second pair of batteries. THis gave me 440 amp hours at 12 volts, or about 5,000 watts total. Now I am using Costco deep cycle golf cart batteries, as Trojan does not have a large distributor near here.

    I also have a pair of solar panels on the roof. The CO and propane detectors use about 0.8 amps per hour, and along with the refrigerator will use about 35 AH daily, or about what one 120 watt solar panel will put out.

    Furnace can use another 35 AH daily too, if you are camping in cooler weather. Lights are about 1 AH per hour, per light. LED lights are much more efficient, about 0.2 amps per hour per light. Water pump is about 7 or 8 amps per hour. Don't worry much about the water pump, it can pump 2 GPM while drawing 8 amp hours and empty a 120 gallon water tank in that time.

    So my suggestion? IF you like to dry camp, get a pair of golf cart batteries. If you like to dry camp a week or more at a time, then 4 golf cart batteries.

    A pair of 120 watt solar panels can help you recharge daily, and you can get away with only 1 pair of batteries. SunElec.com

    Fred.


    Thank you great info
  • Hi,

    If you are looking at a battery with CCA rating, and not a high "Reserve Capacity at 25 amps" then your battery might have been switched with a car battery sometime after leaving the factory and before you bought the trailer.

    Sometimes a experienced RV owner will demand two batteries from the dealership in order to make the sale, and the salesman might say "I will take one from trailer over there, nobody will know the difference" and you ended up buying that trailer.

    Here is what I would recommend, based on my battery life of 13 years when I checked the water regularly, and I was able to give those batteries to a friend, who kept using them. Golf Cart Batteries. My second set only lasted about 7 years, mainly because I was not keeping them full of water. But still that is much longer than the average 12 volt battery will last.

    I was using Trojan T-105 that came with my Fleetwood Bounder RV. I installed a second pair of batteries. THis gave me 440 amp hours at 12 volts, or about 5,000 watts total. Now I am using Costco deep cycle golf cart batteries, as Trojan does not have a large distributor near here.

    I also have a pair of solar panels on the roof. The CO and propane detectors use about 0.8 amps per hour, and along with the refrigerator will use about 35 AH daily, or about what one 120 watt solar panel will put out.

    Furnace can use another 35 AH daily too, if you are camping in cooler weather. Lights are about 1 AH per hour, per light. LED lights are much more efficient, about 0.2 amps per hour per light. Water pump is about 7 or 8 amps per hour. Don't worry much about the water pump, it can pump 2 GPM while drawing 8 amp hours and empty a 120 gallon water tank in that time.

    So my suggestion? IF you like to dry camp, get a pair of golf cart batteries. If you like to dry camp a week or more at a time, then 4 golf cart batteries.

    A pair of 120 watt solar panels can help you recharge daily, and you can get away with only 1 pair of batteries. SunElec.com

    Fred.