Maybe overweight???

Most are for safety first. Then there are those that just don't care.

FE

jbcason wrote:
It just amazes me to hear all the people worrying over some one else's rig that that they think might be over weight. I own a trucking company and we consistently haul loads, with a truck rated for 80,000#' that are 200,000#'s. No one ever looks at the door sticker to see if the truck is rated to haul that much, they just check to see if the truck/trailer is registered/permitted to haul the weight. The most important part is do u have the brakes to stop the load and the tires to haul the load. These new pickups have the capability to haul much more than they are rated for. Ask any hotshotter. All the "experts" on here that want to flame someone would be better off tending to their own business.

I have been trying to tell the RV.net weight police for years, if they want to know what a pickup can haul, go to a truck stop and talk to a hotshotter! Pickups never come close to the federal bridge weight laws.

Chris

It just amazes me to hear all the people worrying over some one else's rig that that they think might be over weight. I own a trucking company and we consistently haul loads, with a truck rated for 80,000#' that are 200,000#'s. No one ever looks at the door sticker to see if the truck is rated to haul that much, they just check to see if the truck/trailer is registered/permitted to haul the weight. The most important part is do u have the brakes to stop the load and the tires to haul the load. These new pickups have the capability to haul much more than they are rated for. Ask any hotshotter. All the "experts" on here that want to flame someone would be better off tending to their own business.

Me Again wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Me Again wrote:
Cummuns. I could not find that. It use to be tare weight times 1.5 and then rounded up to the next even thousand. They licensed my 2500 at 12k. If I have the kayak rack and kayaks I am at 10k or slightly over. So I am not going to argue about it.

Chris

That was how it was explained to me. The equation works for your 12G. Your truck probably had a factory weight of around 6,600# so go to the next ton, that is 8K then add 4K then you are at 12K. Bummer for me is they add extra "FEE" for commercial since I am over 12K licensing. In reality the 14K is actually good if I were ever to be weighed. Very unlikely tho.

If my truck were to have had a factory weight of 7,999# instead of 8,020# I would be paying for 12K in licensing like you.

If I used what you are saying 8,020# X 1.5= 12,030# then to the next thousand would put me at 13,000# license fee.

OR if the curb or tare weight was listed as 6668 or more, then 1.5 times that is over 10K and it is rounded to 12K. That verbiage use to be on the wa.gov site. And that is how my truck got tab for 12K in 2001. I can now not find it on the states web site. It just says that you much have tabs for the weight you are hauling, and that you still must be under the legal weight for the vehicle. Which means you have to follow this RCW 46.44.042.

Subject to the maximum gross weights specified in RCW 46.44.041, it is unlawful to operate any vehicle upon the public highways with a gross weight, including load, upon any tire concentrated upon the surface of the highway in excess of six hundred pounds per inch width of such tire. An axle manufactured after July 31, 1993, carrying more than ten thousand pounds gross weight must be equipped with four or more tires. An axle carrying more than ten thousand pounds gross weight must have four or more tires, regardless of date of manufacture. Instead of the four or more tires per axle requirements of this section, an axle may be equipped with two tires limited to five hundred pounds per inch width of tire. This section does not apply to vehicles operating under oversize or overweight permits, or both, issued under RCW 46.44.090, while carrying a nonreducible load.

Here is a link to bridge weight info.
I am looking for one that talks about weight branded on the tire sidewall.

My truck has factory optional LT265/75R16 tires that have 8.125" tread width. This comes out to 4875 pounds limit for a tire that wide, providing it was manufactured to handle that much. These Michelin LTX M&S carry a max load at 80 lbs of 3415 pounds.

I am looking for one that talks about weight branded on the tire sidewall, but can not fine one.

Here is the only thing I can find.

(2) Motor truck, road tractor, truck, truck tractor -sufficient declared gross weight required. The declared gross weight for a motor truck, road tractor, truck, or truck tractor must have a sufficient declared gross weight, as required under chapter 46.44 RCW, to cover:

(a) Its empty scale weight plus the maximum load it will carry; and

(b) The empty scale weight of any trailer it will tow and the maximum load that the trailer will carry. The declared gross weight of the motor vehicle does not need to include the trailer if:

(i) The empty scale weight of the trailer and the maximum load the trailer will carry does not exceed four thousand pounds; or

(ii) The trailer is for personal use, such as a horse trailer, travel trailer, or utility trailer.

So this is a bit tricky. One does not have to license for a travel trailers weight, yet the pin or hitch weight of said trailer is on the truck and is carried weight???

Chris

They seem to change the rules as we go for the "maximum revenue".

I have heard both ways, trailer tabs pay for trailer and also license rig for total combined weight.

I think they like to keep us in the dark!

This is interesting from California.

c) The maximum wheel load is the lesser of the following:
(1) The load limit established by the tire manufacturer, on the tire sidewall.
(2) A load of 620 pounds per lateral inch of tire width, as determined by the manufacturer's rated tire width on the tire sidewall. The steering axle, however, must go by the load limit by the tire manufacturer.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Me Again wrote:
Cummuns. I could not find that. It use to be tare weight times 1.5 and then rounded up to the next even thousand. They licensed my 2500 at 12k. If I have the kayak rack and kayaks I am at 10k or slightly over. So I am not going to argue about it.

Chris

That was how it was explained to me. The equation works for your 12G. Your truck probably had a factory weight of around 6,600# so go to the next ton, that is 8K then add 4K then you are at 12K. Bummer for me is they add extra "FEE" for commercial since I am over 12K licensing. In reality the 14K is actually good if I were ever to be weighed. Very unlikely tho.

If my truck were to have had a factory weight of 7,999# instead of 8,020# I would be paying for 12K in licensing like you.

If I used what you are saying 8,020# X 1.5= 12,030# then to the next thousand would put me at 13,000# license fee.

OR if the curb or tare weight was listed as 6668 or more, then 1.5 times that is over 10K and it is rounded to 12K. That verbiage use to be on the wa.gov site. And that is how my truck got tab for 12K in 2001. I can now not find it on the states web site. It just says that you much have tabs for the weight you are hauling, and that you still must be under the legal weight for the vehicle. Which means you have to follow this RCW 46.44.042.

Subject to the maximum gross weights specified in RCW 46.44.041, it is unlawful to operate any vehicle upon the public highways with a gross weight, including load, upon any tire concentrated upon the surface of the highway in excess of six hundred pounds per inch width of such tire. An axle manufactured after July 31, 1993, carrying more than ten thousand pounds gross weight must be equipped with four or more tires. An axle carrying more than ten thousand pounds gross weight must have four or more tires, regardless of date of manufacture. Instead of the four or more tires per axle requirements of this section, an axle may be equipped with two tires limited to five hundred pounds per inch width of tire. This section does not apply to vehicles operating under oversize or overweight permits, or both, issued under RCW 46.44.090, while carrying a nonreducible load.

Here is a link to bridge weight info.
I am looking for one that talks about weight branded on the tire sidewall.

My truck has factory optional LT265/75R16 tires that have 8.125" tread width. This comes out to 4875 pounds limit for a tire that wide, providing it was manufactured to handle that much. These Michelin LTX M&S carry a max load at 80 lbs of 3415 pounds.

I am looking for one that talks about weight branded on the tire sidewall, but can not fine one.

Here is the only thing I can find.

(2) Motor truck, road tractor, truck, truck tractor -sufficient declared gross weight required. The declared gross weight for a motor truck, road tractor, truck, or truck tractor must have a sufficient declared gross weight, as required under chapter 46.44 RCW, to cover:

(a) Its empty scale weight plus the maximum load it will carry; and

(b) The empty scale weight of any trailer it will tow and the maximum load that the trailer will carry. The declared gross weight of the motor vehicle does not need to include the trailer if:

(i) The empty scale weight of the trailer and the maximum load the trailer will carry does not exceed four thousand pounds; or

(ii) The trailer is for personal use, such as a horse trailer, travel trailer, or utility trailer.

So this is a bit tricky. One does not have to license for a travel trailers weight, yet the pin or hitch weight of said trailer is on the truck and is carried weight???

Chris

Me Again wrote:
Cummuns. I could not find that. It use to be tare weight times 1.5 and then rounded up to the next even thousand. They licensed my 2500 at 12k. If I have the kayak rack and kayaks I am at 10k or slightly over. So I am not going to argue about it.

Chris

That was how it was explained to me. The equation works for your 12G. Your truck probably had a factory weight of around 6,600# so go to the next ton, that is 8K then add 4K then you are at 12K. Bummer for me is they add extra "FEE" for commercial since I am over 12K licensing. In reality the 14K is actually good if I were ever to be weighed. Very unlikely tho.

If my truck were to have had a factory weight of 7,999# instead of 8,020# I would be paying for 12K in licensing like you.

If I used what you are saying 8,020# X 1.5= 12,030# then to the next thousand would put me at 13,000# license fee.

Francesca Knowles wrote:

rmalik1 wrote:
I would recommend that everyone should go to Livingston TX and have the Escapees do the Smart-weight. You'll know if your a danger to yourself and all vehicles on the road.

It's also relatively cheap!

Relative to what? Livingston, Texas is a l-o-o-o-n-g way from....everywhere! :@

It's more than going to the cat scales but at 55 bucks they sit down with you and go over everthing! Escapee's also have Escapades in different parts of the country and they do smat-weight there also.

As a Fulltimer Texas is were I spend the winter and I try to pass through Livingston going in one direction or the other!

Cummuns. I could not find that. It use to be tare weight times 1.5 and then rounded up to the next even thousand. They licensed my 2500 at 12k. If I have the kayak rack and kayaks I am at 10k or slightly over. So I am not going to argue about it.

Chris

Francesca Knowles wrote:

Kennedycamper wrote:
GVWR doesn't mean much. Registered Gross weight is what the police look at.

:h

At least here in Washington State, "GVWR" is the number used for registering vehicles/trailers.

The weight of your truck to the nearest next ton plus 4K is what you get slapped for in WA State.