need tire advice
Last week I had my first blowout. Nobody's fault but mine, I was going too fast for the tires (rated at 65), I was doing just shy of 75. Normally I drive up and down the West coast but this trip I...
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MileHigh said "I think it would be a pipe dream to believe that the RV industry is ever going to have the access to resources like the auto industry, as they just aren't even in the same league as far as volume of sales or industry might.
They don't need a staff of engineers. All they need to do is to look at how tires are sized & selected by large companies and follow their example but to do so would mean they would have to improve the "Quality" i.e. margin for speed & load over the bare minimums.
And what would be their incentive?Happier customers and better reputation. As long as tire manufacturers continue to produce the ST tire that meets their spec, and are willing to warranty their product, why would the RV industry care really.Just because a company makes a product does not make it appropriate for all usage. Example steel with primer intended for indoor use work for a time on car body panel but with time it rusts. Car companies learned this in 1970 and had their clock cleaned by other car companies that developed better paint and rust proofing. How is car rust the paint companies fault when the selection of paint was made by the car mfg?
Why wouldn't the tire manufacturer take a more proactive role in offering an alternate tire specification that is more suitable for an RV,They do. They are called LT tires instead of just watching the money roll in and the Chinese tires come to port with your name on them, while you sit back and take the same posture as the tobacco industry "hey- we just make em, we don't tell people how to use them!"If someone tried to remove ST type tires from the market the biggest complainers would be the RV mfg because they want cheap tires.
In your own words, the ST tire might be a useable tire IF it was never driven over 50 mph and never abused, so why doesn't the tire specification, at least performance expectation, say just that. The tires say MAX speed much like your engine says MAX RPM. If you choose to run your engine at and above the stated MAX RPM why is it the engine mfg fault when the engine fails. If your "red line is 4,500 and you run 4,450 would you expect the same life as if you were to run no higher than 3,800 with only occasional seconds at 4,450?Instead, we got guys like FE over here that are convinced it is a criminal act to run anything but the exact ST tire the RV manufacturer put on the sticker in the left front!
No, I've seen too many instances on this forum alone where a guy takes better care of his tires than his wife on Valentines Day, TPMS, parking on boards, covering the tires, driving 60, and yet they pop like popcorn with no warning other than a puff of white dust in the mirror. It's not neglect by the owner,How do you know the reason the tire failed? I have only seen 2 guys make the effort to understand the real technical reason for the failure. I have said before the zip code of the plant is not a technical reason. If it were we would see thousands of identical failure on all types of RVs not the random occurrence we actually see. something is just plain wrong with the tire!OK I ask for the third time, how about providing some data on how polyester melts at the flex line in the picture I posted when the tire is not run underinflated. Either the overseas zip code is pulling the wool over you guys and found a new disposal method for their hazardous waste (tell me we have always found their products to be pure), or they are not designed correctly for their market."
They don't need a staff of engineers. All they need to do is to look at how tires are sized & selected by large companies and follow their example but to do so would mean they would have to improve the "Quality" i.e. margin for speed & load over the bare minimums.
And what would be their incentive?Happier customers and better reputation. As long as tire manufacturers continue to produce the ST tire that meets their spec, and are willing to warranty their product, why would the RV industry care really.Just because a company makes a product does not make it appropriate for all usage. Example steel with primer intended for indoor use work for a time on car body panel but with time it rusts. Car companies learned this in 1970 and had their clock cleaned by other car companies that developed better paint and rust proofing. How is car rust the paint companies fault when the selection of paint was made by the car mfg?
Why wouldn't the tire manufacturer take a more proactive role in offering an alternate tire specification that is more suitable for an RV,They do. They are called LT tires instead of just watching the money roll in and the Chinese tires come to port with your name on them, while you sit back and take the same posture as the tobacco industry "hey- we just make em, we don't tell people how to use them!"If someone tried to remove ST type tires from the market the biggest complainers would be the RV mfg because they want cheap tires.
In your own words, the ST tire might be a useable tire IF it was never driven over 50 mph and never abused, so why doesn't the tire specification, at least performance expectation, say just that. The tires say MAX speed much like your engine says MAX RPM. If you choose to run your engine at and above the stated MAX RPM why is it the engine mfg fault when the engine fails. If your "red line is 4,500 and you run 4,450 would you expect the same life as if you were to run no higher than 3,800 with only occasional seconds at 4,450?Instead, we got guys like FE over here that are convinced it is a criminal act to run anything but the exact ST tire the RV manufacturer put on the sticker in the left front!
No, I've seen too many instances on this forum alone where a guy takes better care of his tires than his wife on Valentines Day, TPMS, parking on boards, covering the tires, driving 60, and yet they pop like popcorn with no warning other than a puff of white dust in the mirror. It's not neglect by the owner,How do you know the reason the tire failed? I have only seen 2 guys make the effort to understand the real technical reason for the failure. I have said before the zip code of the plant is not a technical reason. If it were we would see thousands of identical failure on all types of RVs not the random occurrence we actually see. something is just plain wrong with the tire!OK I ask for the third time, how about providing some data on how polyester melts at the flex line in the picture I posted when the tire is not run underinflated. Either the overseas zip code is pulling the wool over you guys and found a new disposal method for their hazardous waste (tell me we have always found their products to be pure), or they are not designed correctly for their market."
