Pickup rental?

valhalla360 wrote:

I was referring to the testing people, not enforcement.

I know you were, but they're bound by the same laws.

valhalla360 wrote:

Both are not correct. GCVWR is 23,500.

If you max out the GVWR of both the truck and trailer, you are over the GCVWR.

Yes, both are correct. I have a rated safe combined limit as per the truck manufacturer (23,500), and I also have the combined weight as per the stickers added together, which is what an LEO looks at: 11,400 plus 16,750 = 28,150, which pushes me into non-com Class A territory.

valhalla360 wrote:

You missed my point. Does the license specifically call out that the endorsement is based on towing a trailer? Or just any truck (possibly with or without a trailer) over a certain GCVWR.

In pretty much all states that I know of, a Class A refers to TOWING, while a Class B refers to single vehicle (like a motorhome). So if I need my Class A, I have to show up at the driving test with the appropriate rig. A single truck with a 26,001+ GVWR won't cut it.

valhalla360 wrote:

Edit: On re-reading your original post, I'm not sure if you "need" an endorsement at all. You only need the endorsement if the GCVWR exceeds 26,001 but yours is 23,500. It would be worth double checking but per the normal way of calculating GCVWR, you aren't over as anything over 23,500 exceeds the ratings.

Again, the way it works in PA and wherever you will be pulled over: they add up the two GVWR from the truck and trailer. Does not matter what your *actual* weight is at that time, or what it should be per the manual, it only matters what the rigs hooked together at that combined *could* max weigh as per their stickers. Those two combined determine your license requirement.

And, in my case, if they checked my manual, they would see I am exceeding my safe rated GCWR, too, as per adding up the stickers. This is all happening on the side of the road, they aren't escorting you to a local weigh station to measure actual weight, they go off Gross Rating.