Ram 2500 and F250 heavy duty diesel

john&bet wrote:

MFL wrote:

Rbertalotto wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Which year, trim level is this imaginary truck

My vintage/era a 250/2500 max out around 12K 5th wheel

New ones....roughly 14K 5th wheel

Just so I understand, a 14K FW would have a pin weight of around 2800 pounds? Figure about 700 pounds for passengers, hitch and stuff....This is WAY over any payload ratings I've seen on any crew cab SRW 3/4 ton trucks from any maker.

To better understand...the door payload sticker is nothing more than the weight of the truck, as it left the factory, subtracted from the class 2 registration rating of 10,000. The axle rating, which includes the tires, wheels, springs, and brakes, is what determines what load can be carried.

Jerry

Can you site a statute, regulation or other rules, Federal or State, to support yours or Old Biscuits position?

See if you can figure out how to exceed these weight laws parroted by each state.

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/brdg_frm_wghts/index.htm

MFL wrote:

Rbertalotto wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Which year, trim level is this imaginary truck

My vintage/era a 250/2500 max out around 12K 5th wheel

New ones....roughly 14K 5th wheel

Just so I understand, a 14K FW would have a pin weight of around 2800 pounds? Figure about 700 pounds for passengers, hitch and stuff....This is WAY over any payload ratings I've seen on any crew cab SRW 3/4 ton trucks from any maker.

To better understand...the door payload sticker is nothing more than the weight of the truck, as it left the factory, subtracted from the class 2 registration rating of 10,000. The axle rating, which includes the tires, wheels, springs, and brakes, is what determines what load can be carried.

Jerry

Can you site a statute, regulation or other rules, Federal or State, to support yours or Old Biscuits position?

MFL wrote:

john&bet wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Which year, trim level is this imaginary truck

My vintage/era a 250/2500 max out around 12K 5th wheel

New ones....roughly 14K 5th wheel

I disagree on your statement about the newer ones. I have a 3500 SRW inbound for my 14k GVW 5th.

While your 3500 is the best choice for your 14K GVWR FW, Old-Biscuit is correct to say a new 2500 would work. His truck, 3500 with 6500 RAWR carries a just short of 14K ACTUAL SCALED WT FW. He is still under his 6,500 RAWR, and tire rating, as would be a newer 2500, with the same 6,500 RAWR, and likely higher tire rating.

Jerry

Still disagree.

MFG GVWR and hence Payload which is a byproduct of that MFG GVWR are warranty and vehicle registration numbers.

F/R Axles Ratings and Tire Load Ratings are DOT 'LEGAL' numbers

Any body can be hauled into a court of law over anything in a 'Civil' matter
but it's the DOT numbers that will get you into 'Criminal' matters.


In the end......
Folks need to use the ratings THEY are comfortable with

The better question might be, what size fifth wheel are you planning to pull with this truck and do you have any thoughts of going larger in the future? Hence you might want to just get a 3500/350 and cover the bases.

Rbertalotto wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Which year, trim level is this imaginary truck

My vintage/era a 250/2500 max out around 12K 5th wheel

New ones....roughly 14K 5th wheel

Just so I understand, a 14K FW would have a pin weight of around 2800 pounds? Figure about 700 pounds for passengers, hitch and stuff....This is WAY over any payload ratings I've seen on any crew cab SRW 3/4 ton trucks from any maker.

People that use their RV's for a while or are full time will have pin weights at or near 25% simple as that!

Just be sure in a state that licenses tonnage(like Washington and others) that you pay for 12K verses the 10K of the manufactures GVWR. A pickup will never exceed the federal bridge weight laws(think the chicken coops along the byways). The RGAWR being lower on most 250/2500 could be an issue to a nosy LE officer.

So again if buying new find a 350/3500 SRW and have less worries. We have a RAM 3500 SRW with 11,700 GVWR, 7K RGAWR and 25,300 CGWR and meet the numbers with Snowbird stuff in the truck and a 16K 5th wheel loaded heavy. I am at 6650- 6750 on the rear axle, which would be over the RAM 2500 RGAWR of 6500. Rear suspension on a RAM 2500 would most likely need some help with the 11700 I am at with my setup.

Remember also that if one moves fresh water from a rear tank to grey and black water tanks ahead of the axle you are adding more pin weight until you dump those tanks. So if you think 5th wheel weight are static, they only that way if you always travel with tanks loaded/unloaded the same way. We will make the run for Washington to Arizona in 3.5 days and not dump tanks, so weights vary (shifting forward) during the trip.

Rbertalotto wrote:

the door payload sticker is nothing more than the weight of the truck, as it left the factory, subtracted from the class 2 registration rating of 10,000. The axle rating, which includes the tires, wheels, springs, and brakes, is what determines what load can be carried.

First time I've heard this...If it is accurate, that's a whole different kettle of fish. Just not sure how this would work out in defense of an accident.

It's accurate. The question I have is how this is the first you've heard of it but you've been a member since 2005. This topic gets beat to death all the time.

the door payload sticker is nothing more than the weight of the truck, as it left the factory, subtracted from the class 2 registration rating of 10,000. The axle rating, which includes the tires, wheels, springs, and brakes, is what determines what load can be carried.

First time I've heard this...If it is accurate, that's a whole different kettle of fish. Just not sure how this would work out in defense of an accident.

Rbertalotto wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Which year, trim level is this imaginary truck

My vintage/era a 250/2500 max out around 12K 5th wheel

New ones....roughly 14K 5th wheel

Just so I understand, a 14K FW would have a pin weight of around 2800 pounds? Figure about 700 pounds for passengers, hitch and stuff....This is WAY over any payload ratings I've seen on any crew cab SRW 3/4 ton trucks from any maker.

To better understand...the door payload sticker is nothing more than the weight of the truck, as it left the factory, subtracted from the class 2 registration rating of 10,000. The axle rating, which includes the tires, wheels, springs, and brakes, is what determines what load can be carried.

Jerry