Ram 2500 and F250 heavy duty diesel

Me Again wrote:


That is the manufacturer talking, not the State or Feds. You do realize that those making money as hot shotters have a good laugh about the RV.net weight police?

Does that make them better than the members of RV.net or somehow superior. I think not. They can laugh all they want as they use up their trucks and roll down the road towing somebody elses trailer. I think it may be a bit different tune were they towing their own trailer with their family on board the tow vehicle.
Barney

CWSWine wrote:
This is what your owner manual says.

Note:
Trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight should be 10% (15% for 5th-wheel towing) of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will
accommodate trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel
towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo must not cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label.

Here what is says in the towing guides

Towing Guide

That is the manufacturer talking, not the State or Feds. You do realize that those making money as hot shotters have a good laugh about the RV.net weight police?

rjstractor wrote:

Rbertalotto wrote:
Ford and Chevy are co-designing / building the next wave of new transmissions. Just read an article about this.

They are already in production. Seems odd that the Ford Mustang and the Chevy Camaro use the same 10-speed transmission. Variations of this trans are used in the F150 and the upcoming Ranger. Not sure if GM plans on using it in their pickups. Also, I wonder if there are any plans on sharing transmission between the 250/2500/350/3500 models.

If Ford shared their torque shift with GM, they could then turn the Duramax up more and really blow the doors off the Ford. Ain't going to happen.

This is what your owner manual says.

Note:
Trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight should be 10% (15% for 5th-wheel towing) of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduce by option weight) will
accommodate trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle. Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel
towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo must not cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label.

Here what is says in the towing guides

Towing Guide

Rbertalotto wrote:
Ford and Chevy are co-designing / building the next wave of new transmissions. Just read an article about this.

They are already in production. Seems odd that the Ford Mustang and the Chevy Camaro use the same 10-speed transmission. Variations of this trans are used in the F150 and the upcoming Ranger. Not sure if GM plans on using it in their pickups. Also, I wonder if there are any plans on sharing transmission between the 250/2500/350/3500 models.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
On the F450, 3500's snd 350 Dually trucks they have artificially low GVWR of 14,000#. Some will say if you cross that line you are OVERLOADED.

I say to them how can I have a RAWR of 9,750# load it to that without adding one pound to my front axle of 5,250#+ and NOT be overt my 14K rating????

I have the simple answer to that. It's called keeping all these Dually pickups in Class 3 rating as to not be in Commercial Classification at 14,001# or over. I have tonnage that covers my trucks combined weight. So as far as I am concerned I am at or under my ratings that actually matter.

Commercial starts at 10,001# not 14,001# and that 10,001# is GVWR and also GCVWR. You can be considered commercial in a Ford Ranger if you are towing a trailer that when you combine the GVWR of the truck and trailer and it adds up to 10,001# or more and are making money with it. It does not matter if you are loaded or empty.

Rbertalotto wrote:
Ford and Chevy are co-designing / building the next wave of new transmissions. Just read an article about this.

Co-designing is good for the industry! Transmissions are becoming the game changer! Years ago, you had the stick shift, or slip-o-matic. Now with the multi-geared, super strong automatics, with push button manual capability, and gear lockout, it is making the gas engines more capable of towing heavier loads.

Jerry

Ford and Chevy are co-designing / building the next wave of new transmissions. Just read an article about this.

Don't forget combined weight rating. Also Ford choose to go in house with their engine and transmission for a good reason. They have more control of changes and enhancements required in a very competitive market. Also Ford increase their capability with the aluminum body that allows for a more heavy and stronger frame. IMHO Ford is ahead of the pack. BTY I'm not a brand loyalist, but simply and engineer.

JerryCan you site a statute, regulation or other rules, Federal or State, to support yours or Old Biscuits position?

The ONLY LEGAL limit you can exceed is the REGISTERED GVWR of your truck. If you registered it at 7200 lbs GVWR, you cannot exceed that. And guess what, you can register it at any weight you want (although there are guidlines for trucks). You could easily register a 1/2 ton @ 10,000 lbs GVWR. You pay more as the registered GVWR goes up. A lot of folks think they're sneaky by registering at 3,500 lbs and saving themselves $25 a year. Works as long as the cop pulling you over for a speeding ticket doesn't notice.

Other than that, there are specific laws for lbs /in width of tire and total axle and overall weight restrictions. Those vary by state and can be enforced on anyone. They are much higher than even the most insane person could load a 1/2 ton.

As for roadside scales, if you are commercial, you gotta go through. If you are not commercial, drive right by. There are folks that tow 30,000 lbs RV trailers behind an 18,000 lbs Freightliner MDT or HDT. They have a sign on the side that says not for hire. They drive right by the scales while all the commercial trucks (ones much smaller) have to go over them. Now, any police officer can stop a private vehicle and have it weighed, but again, he will only enforce the registered GVWR and road weight limits. ALthough, he could always go down the route of wreckless driving, but then he would have to sell it to a judge.

Towing 20k with a 1/2 ton is not against any law that I have read unless you exceed your registered GVWR, 20,000 lbs axle weight or the lbs / inch of tire width laws.

Ok, that's the legal side of it. The common sense side is up to the individual. Some have more of it than others. Would I tow 20,000 lbs, 10 miles on an empty road? Not with my 1/2 ton, but I would with yours.