WW Repairs
As just about all of us have read here, certain models of WW trailers have defects that have resulted in a number of different problems. To one degree or another, this subject has come up on this for...
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When I contacted Weekend Warrior about fixing my trailer, transport to Perris, and compensation for the heavier rated tires I purchased, they had Raphael call me back. He said I could bring it in (2400 miles round trip)and get it fixed, or join the law suit. That was it. No tranportation or anything else. He was not courteous on the phone, and made zero effort to help me. Regarding what they did to repair it he replied "We add a gusset." No frame straightening. Just some reinforcement. If you get him, I suggest asking for his boss and working up the chain until you find somebody who might help.
I talked with a class action lawyer and he said that WW is training "techs" from their other dealers to put on the prophelatic fix, so for what it's worth, you might be able to find a closer place to get it fixed.
The lawyer also told me that unless you upgraded to a higher rated tire, such as D to E, that there would be no compensation. If you do receive compensation (for up to six tires) you get $100 bucks a piece. According to him, I'm entitled to the frame fix, $600 bucks for tires, and cosmetic repair if caused by the bending frame. By the way, my new WW weight information recommended the same rated tires the trailer was equipped with when I picked it up.
To my knowledge, there are no higer rated 15" tires than D. I perused tirerack and every other tire place I could. No joy. Mine disintegrated early on, and I replaced them with 16" rims and Michelin E rated Ribs. Not cheap, but I don't have tread flying all over the place either.
My tongue is bent upwards, and I think the frame is twisted a little. When new it towed straight and true. Now it sways like a willow in the wind.
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Today I received a new unladen vehicle weight for my FS 3000 showing it is 1000lbs heavier than originally stated. It sucks, but I already knew that because I weigh mine on a weigh station periodically.
The other item concerning weight was their new trailer loading requirement
I quote: "PLACE 60% OF LOAD FORWARD OF AXLE CENTER LINE
Failure to distribute load properly will result
in an unstable towing condition."
I can't see how this determines toungue weight. Unless you know the stations where the weight is distributed in the front and back, and can adjust weight to get it evenly spread out the toungue weight will vary. I don't know how much.
How I think I understand it.
Imagine two kids on a seesaw with a pivot (axle center line) in the middle. One kid weighs 40lbs, the other weighs 60lbs. Add them together, and we get lucky and find that 100lbs equals 100% of our weight. The 40lb kid is the rear of the trailer, the 60lb kid is the front.
Easy concept now: Think of that old wooden seesaw as a Weekend Warrior trailer, and the kids as the 40/60 load. Also see that seesaw as having a pivot point which makes the heavy kid's side longer, and the lighter kid's side shorter. This is like moving your center line axle more towards the rear of the trailer. That makes the heavier kid appear even heavier because the longer board gives him added leverage. Trailers have to be this way to be towable, and so that they don't flip backwards after you unhitch and walk to the rear.
Problem:
Think what happens if the heavier kid moves around. The end of the board is the tongue of the trailer, and the pivot is the center line axle. Even though he weighs the same 60lb, he changes the tongue weight. As he moves towards the pivot point, the tongue gets lighter. As he moves toward the "front," the tongue load increases. Again, the percentage of load in the front didn't change. Just its location.
My questons are, what happened to the 10-15% formula? How can I achieve 40/60 since where I put the load affects the tounge weight, and without that I can't think of a reference to balance the trailer fore and aft of the axle center line.
If anyone can explain this, please do. Weekend Warrior just won't help me.
If anyone has a good lawyer in California and is initiating an individual lawsuit, please pm me. Actually I'd settle for a Weekend Warrior settlement if they'd let me fix whatever I found wrong locally and compensate me fairly for the tires and wheels I had to replacde.
Right now my trailer tows terribly, and has some problems resulting from the frame bending. I'm going to get it surveyed, repairs estimated, and go to court myself unless Weekend Warrior can come up with a solution I'll accept. $600 for tires and a "gusset" doesn't do it for me.
Jeff
P.S. Sorry if this post is disorganized. I'm beat.
When I contacted Weekend Warrior about fixing my trailer, transport to Perris, and compensation for the heavier rated tires I purchased, they had Raphael call me back. He said I could bring it in (2400 miles round trip)and get it fixed, or join the law suit. That was it. No tranportation or anything else. He was not courteous on the phone, and made zero effort to help me. Regarding what they did to repair it he replied "We add a gusset." No frame straightening. Just some reinforcement. If you get him, I suggest asking for his boss and working up the chain until you find somebody who might help.
I talked with a class action lawyer and he said that WW is training "techs" from their other dealers to put on the prophelatic fix, so for what it's worth, you might be able to find a closer place to get it fixed.
The lawyer also told me that unless you upgraded to a higher rated tire, such as D to E, that there would be no compensation. If you do receive compensation (for up to six tires) you get $100 bucks a piece. According to him, I'm entitled to the frame fix, $600 bucks for tires, and cosmetic repair if caused by the bending frame. By the way, my new WW weight information recommended the same rated tires the trailer was equipped with when I picked it up.
To my knowledge, there are no higer rated 15" tires than D. I perused tirerack and every other tire place I could. No joy. Mine disintegrated early on, and I replaced them with 16" rims and Michelin E rated Ribs. Not cheap, but I don't have tread flying all over the place either.
My tongue is bent upwards, and I think the frame is twisted a little. When new it towed straight and true. Now it sways like a willow in the wind.
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Please comment on this:
Today I received a new unladen vehicle weight for my FS 3000 showing it is 1000lbs heavier than originally stated. It sucks, but I already knew that because I weigh mine on a weigh station periodically.
The other item concerning weight was their new trailer loading requirement
I quote: "PLACE 60% OF LOAD FORWARD OF AXLE CENTER LINE
Failure to distribute load properly will result
in an unstable towing condition."
I can't see how this determines toungue weight. Unless you know the stations where the weight is distributed in the front and back, and can adjust weight to get it evenly spread out the toungue weight will vary. I don't know how much.
How I think I understand it.
Imagine two kids on a seesaw with a pivot (axle center line) in the middle. One kid weighs 40lbs, the other weighs 60lbs. Add them together, and we get lucky and find that 100lbs equals 100% of our weight. The 40lb kid is the rear of the trailer, the 60lb kid is the front.
Easy concept now: Think of that old wooden seesaw as a Weekend Warrior trailer, and the kids as the 40/60 load. Also see that seesaw as having a pivot point which makes the heavy kid's side longer, and the lighter kid's side shorter. This is like moving your center line axle more towards the rear of the trailer. That makes the heavier kid appear even heavier because the longer board gives him added leverage. Trailers have to be this way to be towable, and so that they don't flip backwards after you unhitch and walk to the rear.
Problem:
Think what happens if the heavier kid moves around. The end of the board is the tongue of the trailer, and the pivot is the center line axle. Even though he weighs the same 60lb, he changes the tongue weight. As he moves towards the pivot point, the tongue gets lighter. As he moves toward the "front," the tongue load increases. Again, the percentage of load in the front didn't change. Just its location.
My questons are, what happened to the 10-15% formula? How can I achieve 40/60 since where I put the load affects the tounge weight, and without that I can't think of a reference to balance the trailer fore and aft of the axle center line.
If anyone can explain this, please do. Weekend Warrior just won't help me.
If anyone has a good lawyer in California and is initiating an individual lawsuit, please pm me. Actually I'd settle for a Weekend Warrior settlement if they'd let me fix whatever I found wrong locally and compensate me fairly for the tires and wheels I had to replacde.
Right now my trailer tows terribly, and has some problems resulting from the frame bending. I'm going to get it surveyed, repairs estimated, and go to court myself unless Weekend Warrior can come up with a solution I'll accept. $600 for tires and a "gusset" doesn't do it for me.
Jeff
P.S. Sorry if this post is disorganized. I'm beat.
