Rear kitchens = porpoising?

janegowest wrote:

dedmiston wrote:
A talk show I listen to has a feature called "Stupid or Liar?". It kind of doesn't matter which one it is.

Imagine how much weight is in the rear of a fifth wheel toy hauler. A fridge, sink, stove, etc. can't weigh more than the motorcycles and sand cars loaded inside the toy haulers. And they tow just fine.

Stupid or Liar?

I suppose that it would be a mixture of both. I would say that liars are not truly smart, if they have to resort to lying to have their way, since it will bite them at the end. It is always smarter to be truthful, as that will reap benefits in the long run. Liars can't think beyond the moment...honest people have the future in mind.

If I had to avoid lying salemen, I guess I will not be able to buy a trailer....any suggestions?

Jane - a lot of RV salesmen are not really liars - simply not very knowledgeable.
Often RV sales is *not* a career job - turn-over is frequent and often......take your pick!

Suggestions: Visit dealers and shows where the sales "team" allow you to go through the RVs at your leisure - BY YOURSELF.

Nothing worse than having someone leaning over your shoulder telling you about the features *they* think are what you need/want.

Then - if/when you have questions, ask the salesperson who is patiently(?) waiting outside.

If they don't handle it that way - go elsewhere.

Even then - you will run into "glitches":

Example:
When looking for the REAR KITCHEN Jayco we had seen on the Jayco website in 2005, we went to a large RV dealer in So. CA who carried Jayco products.
Nice, well dressed, young salesman took us out to look through the only two models they had on the lot (not the RK we were looking for).
No problem with us perusing the units while he waited outside.

When I asked about the "new" RK model we were interested in, he said there was NO SUCH FLOORPLAN.
Told him it was on the jayco website, - go have a look!

His response was, "I'm not allowed to do that, we have an internet person who handles those things".

Me - "OK, go ask HIM to do that!"

Reply - "He's not here today".

Bought the "stealth model" we were looking for - elsewhere.

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Pomona (CA) RV show.
First some "insight".......not every dealer of any given RV line will be there - even though they may be close by.
Maybe it's a pay to play, not invited or whatever.

Anyway - I would go on (say a Friday) by myself. Often, some want you to "sign in" before going through the unit/s on display and/or "allowing" you to have a brochure!

I become "Chuck Roast" or? at a fictitious address.
I tell them I am looking for floor plans I like, and will return the next day with the DW - which is usually true.

At one dealer's display, I asked a roving salesperson if I could have a brochure (the supply of same I had already spotted in a trlr compt).
The salesperson said it was his first day, and admitted he didn't know where any brochures for the brand's models were located.

Ahhhh......let me help you out - there's a stack of 'em over here!..:):R

Anyway - collect the floor plan brochures you like, narrow your choices, then go shopping (again).

*If* you are willing to order what you want, *YOU* are in the driver's seat (even in a trailer, LOL!). Shop far and wide for your best price - THEN - if you prefer a dealer close(er) to home, see if they will compete with your benchmark price.

Gotta have one right now - off the lot? Be ready to negotiate, but you still can use the "order it" price as a negotiating tool.

BTW - still have the RK, no dishes problems - although it did ride harder when I switched to LT tires.

Good luck!..:)

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