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Apr 23, 2015

SRW v. DRW

So I do now own a Ram 3500 Longhorn Mega cab diesel. I'm currently using it to tow my travel trailer. Want to move to a Heartland Gateway 3650bh which grosses at 15500, dry at 13025 and pin weight a...
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My only concern is safety for my family in the truck. Can I tow this camper safely? Mostly being used for destinations, but do at least once want to travel the U.S. with it.

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redhooker wrote:
RustyJC wrote:
Coach-man wrote:
I was a little over on payload, I had extra leafs put in and the shop certified the new pay load rating,( I have a new sticker in the door with their name on it)!


Hmmmm.....interesting. You might want to read the Issues Pertaining to Load Carrying Capacity in this document.

Rusty


Sorry-new poster here. I read that document and it supports coachman's statement, particularly here:

What is the Gross Axle Weight Rating?

The Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) is the maximum weight that the designated axle system is designed to carry. It is set by the OEM and noted on the vehicle's original certification label. Alterers must determine whether their modifications affect the manufacturer's stated GVWR or GAWR. If they do, the alterer must specify the new GVWR or GAWR on the alterer's certification label (see 49 CFR 567.7). Note: A modifier or dealer should never accept an altered vehicle that does not have an alterer's certification label.

I was not aware that aftermarket shops could recert GVWRs, but apparently they can. In Florida, if your truck is registered under 8000lbs (7999 or less) they are powerless to enforce any weight restrictions on you. My friend and neighbor works for the state at one of the largest weigh stations on I-95. He says they get dually pickups pulling car haulers in excess of 25k lbs and they have no authority to do anything about it.

Back before the internet told us we couldn't do it, my dad pulled a 30 ft TT with an Olds Toronado across half the country with 4 kids in the back seat. That was the 70s for ya :)


My state doesn't put a lot of legal bearing on the door sticker, but I wonder what the requirement are to alter the OEM specs? Can it be done by an individual?","body@stringLength":"2076","rawBody":"
redhooker wrote:
RustyJC wrote:
Coach-man wrote:
I was a little over on payload, I had extra leafs put in and the shop certified the new pay load rating,( I have a new sticker in the door with their name on it)!


Hmmmm.....interesting. You might want to read the Issues Pertaining to Load Carrying Capacity in this document.

Rusty


Sorry-new poster here. I read that document and it supports coachman's statement, particularly here:

What is the Gross Axle Weight Rating?

The Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) is the maximum weight that the designated axle system is designed to carry. It is set by the OEM and noted on the vehicle's original certification label. Alterers must determine whether their modifications affect the manufacturer's stated GVWR or GAWR. If they do, the alterer must specify the new GVWR or GAWR on the alterer's certification label (see 49 CFR 567.7). Note: A modifier or dealer should never accept an altered vehicle that does not have an alterer's certification label.

I was not aware that aftermarket shops could recert GVWRs, but apparently they can. In Florida, if your truck is registered under 8000lbs (7999 or less) they are powerless to enforce any weight restrictions on you. My friend and neighbor works for the state at one of the largest weigh stations on I-95. He says they get dually pickups pulling car haulers in excess of 25k lbs and they have no authority to do anything about it.

Back before the internet told us we couldn't do it, my dad pulled a 30 ft TT with an Olds Toronado across half the country with 4 kids in the back seat. That was the 70s for ya :)


My state doesn't put a lot of legal bearing on the door sticker, but I wonder what the requirement are to alter the OEM specs? Can it be done by an 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