Oh by the way, if you did not pick up on my forum name, I have owned Coachmen products in the past, some better than others. What was explained to me Coachmen was what Chevy is to cars, they make a lot of products, and are only middle of the road in quality, but have a good price point for what they offer! Neither 5th wheel I looked at had dove tail draws, nor did they have draw closerers. The fit and finish looked similar, fiber board etc. Could you tell me why I should go with the Cedar Creek? That is what I liked, but it is hard to convince DW when she sees features she likes in one while as I said the rest of the "stuff" looks so similar!