i think it will just depend on the dealer. It took me two months before I found a dealer that wanted to give me a good price on a new cyclone AND and god price on trade in. Bought my Eagle last year for 27,000 (list was 40,000) and after a year of good use this dealer is going to give me 25,000 (7.4% depreciation) on trade. So thats not too bad from my view. Had one dealer only offer 16,000 but was good on the new purchase and the other dealer was also was willing to give 25,000 but was $16,000 higher on the Cyclone. Glad I found one willing to get right on both!