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Dec 18, 2016

Travel trailer "vs" fith wheel --MPG to tow

How much difference in fuel MPG`S have you had with a bumper pull compared to the large wind resistance of a fiver?
I have noticed a high fuel consumption in a head wind.
Is it streamlining or lack there of that is to blame?
Feel like I am pulling a 13 ft high box at times.
I see trucks with all sorts of streamlining on the road.
JUST CURIOUS-not that I want a travel trailer/bumper pull unit.

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as mentioned the more aero dynamic front end of the 5th and being closer to the truck cab makes only one drag zone instead of two with the typical travel trailer.

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as mentioned the more aero dynamic front end of the 5th and being closer to the truck cab makes only one drag zone instead of two with the typical travel trailer.

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N-Trouble wrote:
Dont assume just because its taller a 5er has more air resistance than a TT.

5er and TV act like a single large mass cutting through the air while TT and TV act like two separate masses with a lot of dirty air in between.


^^^This...

Also, turbulence in the truck bed can hurt you, as well as rear-end turbulence. While a v-gate might not gain you in mileage down the road, it =can= reduce in-bed turbulence which, IMO, likely helps mileage a touch. I know it sure helps keep stuff in the bed!

A FW (or TT) with a rounded rear cap is also likely to get a touch better mileage again, due to reduced turbulence.

Rooftop wings likely do very little simply because the vast majority of RVers don't drive 100k+ miles a year to make the expense worthwhile. Same with skirting.

As an aside, I'd love to see a wind tunnel test on a FW with a light tubular frame on the roof that would support a cover for cleaning up the roofline while towing.

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N-Trouble wrote:
Dont assume just because its taller a 5er has more air resistance than a TT.

5er and TV act like a single large mass cutting through the air while TT and TV act like two separate masses with a lot of dirty air in between.


^^^This...

Also, turbulence in the truck bed can hurt you, as well as rear-end turbulence. While a v-gate might not gain you in mileage down the road, it =can= reduce in-bed turbulence which, IMO, likely helps mileage a touch. I know it sure helps keep stuff in the bed!

A FW (or TT) with a rounded rear cap is also likely to get a touch better mileage again, due to reduced turbulence.

Rooftop wings likely do very little simply because the vast majority of RVers don't drive 100k+ miles a year to make the expense worthwhile. Same with skirting.

As an aside, I'd love to see a wind tunnel test on a FW with a light tubular frame on the roof that would support a cover for cleaning up the roofline while towing.

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There have been times when we visited about MPG towing various RV's. My experience over the years is that most of the commercial drivers believe that there is little difference in MPG between pulling 5th Wheel RV's compared to TT RV's. However, most have told me that when comparing the two of approximately equal size the 5th Wheel RV permits a little better MPG, perhaps one to three MPG compared to a TT of the same size. They also say that the shape of the front of the RV affects the MPG on any RV that they pull. Some have said that the smaller TT RVs usually have a flat front and even those smaller ones require more fuel per mile than most 5th Wheel RV's that have a more rounded front.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-19T04:41:41.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-19T04:41:41.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1435},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:2429139/message:2429172","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1025","rawBody":"We have always owned and pulled 5th Wheel RVS. However, over the years, usually at truck stops, I make a point of visiting with any commercial drivers who deliver RV's to dealers from the factories. Those drivers tow hundreds of all types of RV's and are very willing to give their impressions, advice and experiences.

There have been times when we visited about MPG towing various RV's. My experience over the years is that most of the commercial drivers believe that there is little difference in MPG between pulling 5th Wheel RV's compared to TT RV's. However, most have told me that when comparing the two of approximately equal size the 5th Wheel RV permits a little better MPG, perhaps one to three MPG compared to a TT of the same size. They also say that the shape of the front of the RV affects the MPG on any RV that they pull. Some have said that the smaller TT RVs usually have a flat front and even those smaller ones require more fuel per mile than most 5th Wheel RV's that have a more rounded front.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2429172_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:372879":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:372879","uid":372879,"login":"Bumpyroad","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-12-01T02:32:30.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:372879"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2429171":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2429171","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2429171":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:372879"},"id":"message:2429171","revisionNum":1,"uid":2429171,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2429139"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2429139"},"subject":"Re: Travel trailer \"vs\" fith wheel --MPG to tow","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2429171"},"body":"I don't recall ever seeing those \"magic\" wind tabs on the rear of semis where if they worked at all would certainly be a popular item.
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johndeerefarmer wrote:
This has some interesting stuff related to fuel economy https://cumminsengines.com/uploads/docs/cummins_secrets_of_better_fuel_economy.pdf


Interesting to read through!

It talks about \"wide based tires\" getting better fuel mileage.... do they mean what I know as \"super singles\"? This is where you replace a pair of dually tires with a single, large heavy duty tire.

Also, I didn't see where the testing included those \"air tabs\" that go on the back edge of trailers. Just would be interesting to have some sort of \"official\" test on those.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-19T03:25:00.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-19T03:25:00.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:2429139/message:2429170","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"780","rawBody":"
johndeerefarmer wrote:
This has some interesting stuff related to fuel economy https://cumminsengines.com/uploads/docs/cummins_secrets_of_better_fuel_economy.pdf


Interesting to read through!

It talks about \"wide based tires\" getting better fuel mileage.... do they mean what I know as \"super singles\"? This is where you replace a pair of dually tires with a single, large heavy duty tire.

Also, I didn't see where the testing included those \"air tabs\" that go on the back edge of trailers. Just would be interesting to have some sort of \"official\" test on those.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2429170_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2429169":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2429169","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2429169":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:372879"},"id":"message:2429169","revisionNum":1,"uid":2429169,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2429139"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2429139"},"subject":"Re: Travel trailer \"vs\" fith wheel --MPG to tow","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2429169"},"body":"
1320Fastback wrote:
There is a longer version of this video but I can't seem to find it but what it does show is what a nose cone can do for the aero of a square box.

https://youtu.be/bfTv8Nt-x6o


when I bought my Uhaul type trailer they had an option of a bubble nose cone but since I hadn't planned on any major travel with it didn't spend the $$ for it. guess it works according to that video. don't understand the purpose of that V nose trailer clip however.
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1320Fastback wrote:
There is a longer version of this video but I can't seem to find it but what it does show is what a nose cone can do for the aero of a square box.

https://youtu.be/bfTv8Nt-x6o


when I bought my Uhaul type trailer they had an option of a bubble nose cone but since I hadn't planned on any major travel with it didn't spend the $$ for it. guess it works according to that video. don't understand the purpose of that V nose trailer clip however.
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otrfun wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
A TT sits further back from the cab than a 5th wheel does. More air coming over the cab will hit the TT unless you have a canopy on. A 5th wheel and especially on a SB truck will have less air hitting it since it's tucked in closer to the cab. Evidence of this is after a long day on the road, take a look at the front of the trailer. Where are all the bugs? Now, some 5ers are high and flat in the front and that will impact the mpg more so . . .
Good point. Where the bugs hit, the air hits.

Our previous trailer was a bumper-pull. After a long trip the bugs covered about 75 percent of the frontal area. Only the area directly behind the tailgate didn't have bugs. On our 5r, the bugs tend to congregate around the upper half of the front shell. I'm sure if I had calculated the square footage of the area covered in bugs on both, would probably have found the square footage for the bumper-pull was a bit higher---that's the case even though the overall frontal area of the 5r was significantly higher than the bumper-pull. When towing the 5r, I would tend to believe the truck itself is presenting the largest percentage of air drag. With the bumper-pull, I'm guessing maybe an equal amount.


did you have a cab high cap when you pulled a TT?
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otrfun wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
A TT sits further back from the cab than a 5th wheel does. More air coming over the cab will hit the TT unless you have a canopy on. A 5th wheel and especially on a SB truck will have less air hitting it since it's tucked in closer to the cab. Evidence of this is after a long day on the road, take a look at the front of the trailer. Where are all the bugs? Now, some 5ers are high and flat in the front and that will impact the mpg more so . . .
Good point. Where the bugs hit, the air hits.

Our previous trailer was a bumper-pull. After a long trip the bugs covered about 75 percent of the frontal area. Only the area directly behind the tailgate didn't have bugs. On our 5r, the bugs tend to congregate around the upper half of the front shell. I'm sure if I had calculated the square footage of the area covered in bugs on both, would probably have found the square footage for the bumper-pull was a bit higher---that's the case even though the overall frontal area of the 5r was significantly higher than the bumper-pull. When towing the 5r, I would tend to believe the truck itself is presenting the largest percentage of air drag. With the bumper-pull, I'm guessing maybe an equal amount.


did you have a cab high cap when you pulled a TT?
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11000 lb 34 ft 5 er get about 10.5 mpg

I believe it is just a more streamlined combo going down the road, and the weight adds a small hit to MPG

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I believe it is just a more streamlined combo going down the road, and the weight adds a small hit to MPG

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