Mbutts, thanks; that pickup truck history link was very interesting. Therink, Subway says that its’ bread starts out at 12" and shrinks when baked but I do get your drift. Mowemech, I joined the army back in 1964 and I think I did hear back then what you were saying about that being the tonnage those vehicles could haul. I wonder if the military still uses those terms? KD4UPL, I think some people are just conditioned using those terms. I never knew what they meant and when I heard people using tonnage to describe a vehicle I thought of it as technical specs. Pronstar, I wonder if there is an equivalent ½ ton or ¾ ton SUV that shares the same specs, or close to the same specs, as a pickup of the same tonnage? I guess what I'm saying is does this tonnage terminology only apply to pickups?