Definitely did not mean to offend any Dodge guys, my knowledge of the Dodge heavy duty is limited to the older units. I know the Cummins is an awesome pulling motor, but from what I have seen the truck wasn't as tough as the motor in it. I have a neighbor who has a diesel performance shop and he agrees, for out of the box performance, Dodge is the way to go, he says if you want to spend a little (figuratively I'm sure)money, the new Chevy's are monsters once "tuned up". I think I will look at Dodge Cummins with a manual tranny, and dually of course. Thanks everyone.