Let me clarify. I'm looking at the large van conversion as a tiny house. So on the outside it looks like an shuttle bus but on the inside it's an rv.: bed, shower, stove etc. In my opion it just seems like I can build a really high quality simply rv opposed to something mass produced. Not that there are'nt any great rv. But I have heard of some tough times had by rv owners. And when those problems arise it can take months to get things fixed. I don't intend to have a tiny house in tradition sense and try be stealth. But it would be funny.