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SquireDude
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Jun 16, 2014

Unfare pricing practices

Hi,
I recently put in a claim for repair to my coach ('97 36RS Discovery w/Cummings engine).

Claim reason:
A. Head bolts stretched (a known issue for Cummings engines) and caused a water leak through the head gasket.
B. Oil leak from transmission seal.
C. Exhaust manifold cracked.

The examiner that was sent out agreed to all the issues and told us he was giving the adjuster a green light to go ahead and pay this claim as it was valid.

The adjuster has deemed certain items not payable and others payable at a drastically reduce price. I asked my mechanic if these were Cummings parts of 3rd party. I was told that he went to Cummings Big T in Oxnard, Ca. (our local Cummings dealer) for most of the parts and those that were not available through Big T he went with the best 3rd party replacement products available.

For example:
1) Oil payable @ $18 p/gal - asking $58.99 p/gal (was told that I can purchase Diesel oil at Walmart for $13.99 p/gel) Not a Cummings preferred provider.
2) Will pay for oil but not oil filter nor labor... What?
3) Coolant payable @ $12 p/gal - asking $30 p/gal (again told to go to Walmart)
4) Will NOT pay for gaskets or nuts and bolts but will pay for manifold?

The list of crazy stuff goes on.

They have accepted the claim and authorized my mechanic to remove the head bolts as they needed to me measured. After removing the adjuster now realizes that they are NOT measurable and has now refused to pay for the removal labor. This adjuster also asked for the engine and transmission numbers etc. The original examiner they sent out refused saying they were not needed and are too hard to read without serious labor costs. Again the adjuster is now refusing to pay for that labor.

Apart from me paying the entire bill and suing for a full reimbursement is there a quick and painless way to get the Extended Service people to stand up to their bragging and be reasonable with parts costs? Who can I call to get some satisfaction?

One of the examiners I spoke to last week told me they get there parts from Walmart and Blue Mountain Cummings. I can't imagine the price of parts being this different between Big T and Blue Mountain?

I eagerly look forward to any assistance you can give on getting my coach fixed and back on the road.

Oh, by the way since the examiner has low balled or refused to pay so many items the coach is currently disabled, due to the head bolts being removed, and soon to be a target for vandals!

Sincerely yours,
Phillip Seaman
  • cKarlGo wrote:
    So Good Sam authorized a repair and then refused to pay for it?

    Color me shocked.

    No, most Extended Warranty Companies only pay a certain amount for a repair. In this case the shop wants more than what is allowed. The OP has 2 choices, either pay it and have it done there, or find somewhere that will do it for that amount. There are also things excluded and the reason why should read the policy before signing. Do you ever have anything positive to say?
  • UsualSuspect wrote:
    cKarlGo wrote:
    So Good Sam authorized a repair and then refused to pay for it?

    Color me shocked.

    No, most Extended Warranty Companies only pay a certain amount for a repair. In this case the shop wants more than what is allowed. The OP has 2 choices, either pay it and have it done there, or find somewhere that will do it for that amount. There are also things excluded and the reason why should read the policy before signing. Do you ever have anything positive to say?


    The OP said "They have accepted the claim and authorized my mechanic to remove the head bolts as they needed to me measured. After removing the adjuster now realizes that they are NOT measurable and has now refused to pay for the removal labor." They clearly did, according to the OP, what I commented on. It would be helpful if you paid attention to all of the details in the thread, it seems.
  • cKarlGo wrote:
    UsualSuspect wrote:
    cKarlGo wrote:
    So Good Sam authorized a repair and then refused to pay for it?

    Color me shocked.

    No, most Extended Warranty Companies only pay a certain amount for a repair. In this case the shop wants more than what is allowed. The OP has 2 choices, either pay it and have it done there, or find somewhere that will do it for that amount. There are also things excluded and the reason why should read the policy before signing. Do you ever have anything positive to say?


    The OP said "They have accepted the claim and authorized my mechanic to remove the head bolts as they needed to me measured. After removing the adjuster now realizes that they are NOT measurable and has now refused to pay for the removal labor." They clearly did, according to the OP, what I commented on. It would be helpful if you paid attention to all of the details in the thread, it seems.

    Let me expand, all the extended contracts out there will state they will only inspect it when it has been disassembled, and will only pay for items covered.
    The way it works is you call the Company, or have your mechanic call them. They send a pre-authorization stating they will pay if they find a covered part is defective or non-serviceable after it is disassembled and they inspect it. In this case they found the head bolts were not covered after dis-assembly. If the part is not covered, then you end up paying the labor, and the repair. That is why you need to read it before you sign ;) Most do not know or realize this is in the fine print, but I have yet to see one that states otherwise. I went through this when I was researching the purchase of one and saw that in the fine print.
    Now that you know how it works, my guess is the OP did not either, but will go back and read the fine print and see why it was, then it was not. Hopefully he can convince them they are covered, or GS will explain it, then cover it as goodwill.
  • ed6713 wrote:
    Mandalay Parr wrote:
    Sorry, but that is why I don't buy extended warranties.
    You pay a lot and receive a little.


    X100


    Better to put the cost of any extended warranty in a bank account calls "unexpected stuff".


    Learned my lesson about extended warranties as a naive young woman with my first car. Paid money I couldn't afford because I needed a reliable car and didn't know first thing about fixing one. Car broke, warranty denied because of something in the fine print, I rode the bus to work for six months.

    But I learned my lesson: took some auto repair courses at the local community college and have never bought an extended warranty again.

    This should not have to be said, but extended warranty sellers are in the business to make money. Buying a policy for a 17 year old RV and expecting to get service like a new car warranty is naive.
  • Mr. Seaman,

    My name is Justin and I am the ESP Lead Claims Coordinator for our review board program. I apologize for the inconvenience and frustration on the resent claim filed. I will research your claim in question and contact you today to go over the details.

    Thanks,

    Justin
  • To Sam, Grace & Wesly,

    I hope I do not step on any toes here. I am not a mechanic or engineer just a simple Discovery Coach owner trying to get educated a bit. These were my findings...

    Head bolt Stretch: here is a thread from Cummins own Forum where they strongly suggest changing the head bolts every time as they do stretch... http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/94-98-powertrain/1007346-head-bolt-torque.html

    Engine ID: I looked and it is down deep and is very hard to read. Of course these was tones of the usual road dirt piled up on it too.

    Head Gasket: We are fully intending to replace the head gasket and bolts and have the head sent out for specking and milling if necessary. And as an FYI Cummins does have a kit for changing the head bolts only, you get the newly designed bolts and the order in which to remove each bolt and then insert the new one and torque it back down. I downloaded the PDF file recently.

    Thanks
    Phill
  • Having a warranty is not bad. It will just give you the security that the quality of the product is good.
  • Squire, please let us all know how and if this is rectified. As previously addressed, this is why I have never considered an extended warranty.
  • So far I and my mechanic have been rather happy with this experience... GoodSam did honor the warrantee and have been almost perfect with the evaluation although some of there reimbursement prices (actual cost vs. reimbursement) have been rather low balled and my mechanic had to go to bat to get a better response.

    All in all it was not as bad as I expected. It did take a lot of phone calls in the first few days to get them off their duff and get reasonable. But it all basically worked out in the end.

    Now if all the money I have paid over the last couple of years in premiums vs. savings I am not exactly sure. I think that if I had put a couple of hundred dollars aside each month. I would have had more than enough to pay for the repairs myself.

    All in all I give GoodSam a passing grade.
  • Good to hear they stepped up. TO bad you had to bring it here to get them to do it!

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