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SquireDude
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Jun 16, 2014

Unfare pricing practices

Hi,
I recently put in a claim for repair to my coach ('97 36RS Discovery w/Cummings engine).

Claim reason:
A. Head bolts stretched (a known issue for Cummings engines) and caused a water leak through the head gasket.
B. Oil leak from transmission seal.
C. Exhaust manifold cracked.

The examiner that was sent out agreed to all the issues and told us he was giving the adjuster a green light to go ahead and pay this claim as it was valid.

The adjuster has deemed certain items not payable and others payable at a drastically reduce price. I asked my mechanic if these were Cummings parts of 3rd party. I was told that he went to Cummings Big T in Oxnard, Ca. (our local Cummings dealer) for most of the parts and those that were not available through Big T he went with the best 3rd party replacement products available.

For example:
1) Oil payable @ $18 p/gal - asking $58.99 p/gal (was told that I can purchase Diesel oil at Walmart for $13.99 p/gel) Not a Cummings preferred provider.
2) Will pay for oil but not oil filter nor labor... What?
3) Coolant payable @ $12 p/gal - asking $30 p/gal (again told to go to Walmart)
4) Will NOT pay for gaskets or nuts and bolts but will pay for manifold?

The list of crazy stuff goes on.

They have accepted the claim and authorized my mechanic to remove the head bolts as they needed to me measured. After removing the adjuster now realizes that they are NOT measurable and has now refused to pay for the removal labor. This adjuster also asked for the engine and transmission numbers etc. The original examiner they sent out refused saying they were not needed and are too hard to read without serious labor costs. Again the adjuster is now refusing to pay for that labor.

Apart from me paying the entire bill and suing for a full reimbursement is there a quick and painless way to get the Extended Service people to stand up to their bragging and be reasonable with parts costs? Who can I call to get some satisfaction?

One of the examiners I spoke to last week told me they get there parts from Walmart and Blue Mountain Cummings. I can't imagine the price of parts being this different between Big T and Blue Mountain?

I eagerly look forward to any assistance you can give on getting my coach fixed and back on the road.

Oh, by the way since the examiner has low balled or refused to pay so many items the coach is currently disabled, due to the head bolts being removed, and soon to be a target for vandals!

Sincerely yours,
Phillip Seaman
  • So Good Sam authorized a repair and then refused to pay for it?

    Color me shocked.
  • Mandalay Parr wrote:
    Sorry, but that is why I don't buy extended warranties.
    You pay a lot and receive a little.


    X100


    Better to put the cost of any extended warranty in a bank account calls "unexpected stuff".
  • Much of this makes no sense to me.

    "Cummins" are NOT noted for stretching head bolts to head gasket failure unless a lot of extra boost goes through them.

    The engine S/N could not be easier to read. It's on a black and silver ID plate on the side of the timing cover and this info is required when ever ordering replacement parts from Cummins.

    Head bolts are easy to measure with the correct tool. This is commonly done during overhaul and the procedure is in the manual. If your mechanic isn't capable of doing this then do yourself a favor and have the rig towed to a person who is knowledgeable of Cummins products.

    I hope you realize that the head will have to come off and the gasket replaced. You can't just replace the bolts and fix the issue. I also hope tests were done to make sure the head gasket is actually bad and not just a failed water pump or water hose or soft plug - which are all far more likely than a head gasket.

    Good luck.
  • Phil,

    Thank you for your response. I did not get your email yet. Please allow me to send you a PM, then you can just reply with your contact information.

    Mark F
    Marcus' Rapid Response Team
    goodsamcs@goodsamfamily.com
  • Phil....if you don't get satisfaction with Mark's help, there's always the Insurance Commissioner for your state. I believe they still look into warranties. If not him/her, then the Attorney General. The red flag for me was them approving something, then denying payment because THEY made a mistake. I worked for the insurance comm. in my home state and let me tell you, he'd be all over this.
  • Thanks Mark, it should be in your inbox by the time you read this. If you do not receive it I may have sent it to the wrong email address. Please let me know that you received my email.

    Thanks for your speedy response
    Phill Seaman
  • SquireDude

    Thank you for your time and post. If able can you please send me a PM with your contact information. I would like to forward this matter to our executive team for review and follow up. Thank you in advance for your time and information.

    Mark F
    Marcus' Rapid Response Team
    goodsamcs@goodsamfamily.com
  • Sorry, but that is why I don't buy extended warranties.
    You pay a lot and receive a little.

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