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Diver4242
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Dec 22, 2016

Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?

My wife and I have been looking for a used class A to snowbird when we retire in a year or so. Lately, we've been getting real nervous about things going on here in the US and in our world. For example, the escalation of cyber attacks of countries against each other, and more and more crazy people being selected to lead their countries. I work in IT security and know fully well that more than one country has the ability to turn our lights off (the US does as well), meaning the electrical grid. If we buy something, like the 2014 Newmar Bay Star 2903 we're looking at, which has a 600W inverter and generator, what would we need to do to be able to live off the grid for a more extended period of time? I'm guessing we'd need to install solar panels on the roof, maybe lithium ion batteries, etc? (and of course, need a good supply of water from somewhere, maybe an upgraded filtration or purifying system?). Has anyone explored or researched this and know what mods and expense we would be getting into?
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  • rockhillmanor's avatar
    rockhillmanor
    Explorer II
    Dec 23, 2016
    Me, I've always been a little concerned about 'who' owns all the gas stations nowadays and 'why' this anomaly has happened.

    They could all get one phone call and band together one day and just turn one key and bam we would have no fuel across the entire USA and that would be the end of it. Quite simple don't you think? And I do believe it will happen some day.
  • rgatijnet1's avatar
    rgatijnet1
    Explorer III
    Dec 23, 2016
    sonora wrote:
    The original poster is not alone. CLICKY


    Too bad that most of them live in areas where they are not allowed to own guns for self defense. :B
  • Mile_High's avatar
    Mile_High
    Explorer
    Dec 23, 2016
    korbe wrote:
    2oldman wrote:
    wa8yxm wrote:
    Most people do not know this but the Y2K fears were indeed justified,
    Some were, just not the ones about buying a generator and heading for the hills due to fears of mass power outages and chaos.

    My neighbor, in fear of the Y2K, filled a portable swimming pool in his back yard with fresh water in case we lost power or something so he would still have water. A couple days before the new year, I saw his pool and asked what was up. After he told me his concern, I mentioned that our city water system was completely gravity and the tank up out of town was gravity fed by a spring - no electrical power needed.


    :) Ya, my mother in low did the same thing, filled the bathtubs and sinks. I showed her the elevated tank on the hill.
  • korbe's avatar
    korbe
    Explorer
    Dec 23, 2016
    2oldman wrote:
    wa8yxm wrote:
    Most people do not know this but the Y2K fears were indeed justified,
    Some were, just not the ones about buying a generator and heading for the hills due to fears of mass power outages and chaos.

    My neighbor, in fear of the Y2K, filled a portable swimming pool in his back yard with fresh water in case we lost power or something so he would still have water. A couple days before the new year, I saw his pool and asked what was up. After he told me his concern, I mentioned that our city water system was completely gravity and the tank up out of town was gravity fed by a spring - no electrical power needed.
  • 2oldman's avatar
    2oldman
    Explorer II
    Dec 23, 2016
    wa8yxm wrote:
    Most people do not know this but the Y2K fears were indeed justified,
    Some were, just not the ones about buying a generator and heading for the hills due to fears of mass power outages and chaos.
  • John___Angela's avatar
    John___Angela
    Explorer
    Dec 23, 2016
    doc brown wrote:
    2oldman wrote:
    Diver4242 wrote:
    I always thought the whole prepper thing was overblown paranoia. Now, every day, it seems more viable to me. We're talking more nuclear proliferation, breaking down the few agreements that have kept the peace..
    bad-mouthing companies and individuals on Twitter, making foreign policy on Twitter, ignoring global warming...


    In the late 1980's I believe the sky is falling people said the earth would be frozen by the year 2000. Since that didn't happen it seems the obvious, to them, was global warming. Since that concept is weak they now say climate change. Well of course climate changes. The earth is 4.6 billion years old, 4 ice ages were ended by global warming. Can 100+\- years of weather data really tell us about climate modifications over 4.6 billion years?


    I'm not sure I am a suporter of the global changing thing but pollution is pollution. The two are connected though and it was nice to see the world come together to recognize our planet needs attention. So weird that people consider that political. Anyway, I would say that is over for at least the next decade. Kinda sad.
  • 2oldman's avatar
    2oldman
    Explorer II
    Dec 23, 2016
    doc brown wrote:
    Can 100+\- years of weather data really tell us about climate modifications over 4.6 billion years?
    No, but 800,000 years can. I'm not going any farther with this. Do your own research.
  • doc_brown's avatar
    doc_brown
    Explorer
    Dec 23, 2016
    2oldman wrote:
    Diver4242 wrote:
    I always thought the whole prepper thing was overblown paranoia. Now, every day, it seems more viable to me. We're talking more nuclear proliferation, breaking down the few agreements that have kept the peace..
    bad-mouthing companies and individuals on Twitter, making foreign policy on Twitter, ignoring global warming...


    In the late 1980's I believe the sky is falling people said the earth would be frozen by the year 2000. Since that didn't happen it seems the obvious, to them, was global warming. Since that concept is weak they now say climate change. Well of course climate changes. The earth is 4.6 billion years old, 4 ice ages were ended by global warming. Can 100+\- years of weather data really tell us about climate modifications over 4.6 billion years?

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They could all get one phone call and band together one day and just turn one key and bam we would have no fuel across the entire USA and that would be the end of it. Quite simple don't you think? And I do believe it will happen some day.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-23T13:08:13.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-23T13:08:13.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":434},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:2459788/message:2459839","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:369146":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:369146","uid":369146,"login":"rgatijnet1","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-06-22T16:57:47.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:369146"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459838":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2459838","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2459838":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:369146"},"id":"message:2459838","revisionNum":1,"uid":2459838,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2459788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2459788"},"subject":"Re: Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459838"},"body":"
sonora wrote:
The original poster is not alone. CLICKY


Too bad that most of them live in areas where they are not allowed to own guns for self defense. :B","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"160","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-23T12:13:15.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-23T12:13:15.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":434},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:2459788/message:2459838","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:259441":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:259441","uid":259441,"login":"sonora","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-09-17T17:25:59.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:259441"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459837":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2459837","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2459837":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:259441"},"id":"message:2459837","revisionNum":1,"uid":2459837,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2459788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2459788"},"subject":"Re: Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459837"},"body":"The original poster is not alone. CLICKY","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"40","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-23T10:28:06.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-23T10:28:06.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":432},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:2459788/message:2459837","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:340":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:340","uid":340,"login":"Mile_High","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-02-05T20:06:29.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:340"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459836":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2459836","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2459836":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:340"},"id":"message:2459836","revisionNum":1,"uid":2459836,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2459788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2459788"},"subject":"Re: Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459836"},"body":"
korbe wrote:
2oldman wrote:
wa8yxm wrote:
Most people do not know this but the Y2K fears were indeed justified,
Some were, just not the ones about buying a generator and heading for the hills due to fears of mass power outages and chaos.

My neighbor, in fear of the Y2K, filled a portable swimming pool in his back yard with fresh water in case we lost power or something so he would still have water. A couple days before the new year, I saw his pool and asked what was up. After he told me his concern, I mentioned that our city water system was completely gravity and the tank up out of town was gravity fed by a spring - no electrical power needed.


:) Ya, my mother in low did the same thing, filled the bathtubs and sinks. I showed her the elevated tank on the hill.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-23T10:07:53.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-23T10:07:53.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":433},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:2459788/message:2459836","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:390001":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:390001","uid":390001,"login":"korbe","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-11-20T15:56:17.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:390001"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459835":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2459835","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2459835":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:390001"},"id":"message:2459835","revisionNum":1,"uid":2459835,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2459788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2459788"},"subject":"Re: Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459835"},"body":"
2oldman wrote:
wa8yxm wrote:
Most people do not know this but the Y2K fears were indeed justified,
Some were, just not the ones about buying a generator and heading for the hills due to fears of mass power outages and chaos.

My neighbor, in fear of the Y2K, filled a portable swimming pool in his back yard with fresh water in case we lost power or something so he would still have water. A couple days before the new year, I saw his pool and asked what was up. After he told me his concern, I mentioned that our city water system was completely gravity and the tank up out of town was gravity fed by a spring - no electrical power needed.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-23T09:41:00.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-23T09:41:00.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":432},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:2459788/message:2459835","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:195568":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:195568","uid":195568,"login":"2oldman","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2001-04-15T11:02:01.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:195568"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459834":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2459834","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2459834":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:195568"},"id":"message:2459834","revisionNum":1,"uid":2459834,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2459788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2459788"},"subject":"Re: Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459834"},"body":"
wa8yxm wrote:
Most people do not know this but the Y2K fears were indeed justified,
Some were, just not the ones about buying a generator and heading for the hills due to fears of mass power outages and chaos.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-23T09:23:37.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-23T09:23:37.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":432},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:2459788/message:2459834","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:273255":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:273255","uid":273255,"login":"John___Angela","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-02-18T16:50:42.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:273255"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459833":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2459833","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2459833":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:273255"},"id":"message:2459833","revisionNum":1,"uid":2459833,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2459788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2459788"},"subject":"Re: Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459833"},"body":"
doc brown wrote:
2oldman wrote:
Diver4242 wrote:
I always thought the whole prepper thing was overblown paranoia. Now, every day, it seems more viable to me. We're talking more nuclear proliferation, breaking down the few agreements that have kept the peace..
bad-mouthing companies and individuals on Twitter, making foreign policy on Twitter, ignoring global warming...


In the late 1980's I believe the sky is falling people said the earth would be frozen by the year 2000. Since that didn't happen it seems the obvious, to them, was global warming. Since that concept is weak they now say climate change. Well of course climate changes. The earth is 4.6 billion years old, 4 ice ages were ended by global warming. Can 100+\\- years of weather data really tell us about climate modifications over 4.6 billion years?


I'm not sure I am a suporter of the global changing thing but pollution is pollution. The two are connected though and it was nice to see the world come together to recognize our planet needs attention. So weird that people consider that political. Anyway, I would say that is over for at least the next decade. Kinda sad.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-23T08:52:19.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-23T08:52:19.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":433},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:2459788/message:2459833","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459832":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2459832","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2459832":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:195568"},"id":"message:2459832","revisionNum":1,"uid":2459832,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2459788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2459788"},"subject":"Re: Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459832"},"body":"
doc brown wrote:
Can 100+\\- years of weather data really tell us about climate modifications over 4.6 billion years?
No, but 800,000 years can. I'm not going any farther with this. Do your own research.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-12-23T08:28:01.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-12-23T08:28:01.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":432},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:2459788/message:2459832","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:65966":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:65966","uid":65966,"login":"doc_brown","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-02-14T12:34:24.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:65966"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459831":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2459831","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2459831":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:65966"},"id":"message:2459831","revisionNum":1,"uid":2459831,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2459788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2459788"},"subject":"Re: Apocalypse Now: Living Off Grid?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2459831"},"body":"
2oldman wrote:
Diver4242 wrote:
I always thought the whole prepper thing was overblown paranoia. Now, every day, it seems more viable to me. We're talking more nuclear proliferation, breaking down the few agreements that have kept the peace..
bad-mouthing companies and individuals on Twitter, making foreign policy on Twitter, ignoring global warming...


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