B+ or C

garmp1,

You sound like us back in 2007. But at 49 years old back then, we were planning for the future rather than facing it. Our PC2350 HERE has been working extremely well for us for 8 years and we plan to enjoy it until we are no longer safe drivers. Our old motor home of 24 years HERE had no facilities, basically a conversion van that looked like a motor home. We quickly learned to appreciate the practical facilities of a true motor home in our PC. The only thing that I anticipate being a challenge in our later years will be getting into and out from the rear corner double bed. Phoenix now offers model 2351 HERE which is one foot longer. You have the choice of a pantry between the stove and bed, or get a longer bed. I think the longer bed would be best for the ease of getting in and out from it. I also would appreciate more outdoor storage under the bed and maybe they can even get a bigger fresh water tank under there too. With a dinette without a slide out like we have in our 2350, the 2351 gets you a pantry on the driver side, so you don't loose your pantry after all. I would also get the 2351 built on the E450 chassis to accommodate the extra weight you will place under the longer corner bed. It's hard to resist filling up that nice size outdoor storage compartment with more "Just-In-Case" items.

Remember that with most PC models HERE, the slide outs you see in the floor plans are "Optional". They don't show the floor plans without them which is unfortunate because you don't see what you gain with more usable wall space. If you study the floor plan below of my 2350 and compare it to the one on the PC website, you can see the wall space gained without the slide out box trim and the usage of the angled transition wall between van and house.

garmp1 thanks for the additional info. The reason behind asking the "trip" question was to get an idea of how much stuff you would need to carry. For shorter trips you don't usually need to carry as much compared to transcontinental journeys. For 2 to 3 week trips, you likely won't need to carry much, so you are less likely to need a rig with a higher OCCC.

Even if you only plan to use the commode, you may still need to winterize. After all, there are water lines to the toilet when you flush. You can avoid the winterizing process by not putting any water into the water tank and not hooking up to water. Use bottled water in the toilet when you flush. Still need to dump the tanks. I also use a small amount of RV antifreeze in the toilet as a "water" seal to keep out any residual odors from the black tank. Best wishes.

Thanks for all the replies. Gave me a lot to chew on. Some progress has been made in just what we're after. And to answer PghBob, it will be used to travel the country, but not full time. Anywhere from week long fishing trips to our favorite SP to 2 or 3 weeks on the road sight seeing. About four or so trips a year (at this time).
The only plumbing we'd use would more than likely be the commode. At this point the shower is not needed, as would be the sink. But we have never had these features, so now we don't miss them. We are basically outside people, but in reality as we age more and more, inside comforts and conveniences may become desirable. A slide isn't "needed" if we find the interior space still comfortable without.
Looking at some model suggested we really lean towards the B+ because of the cab over and width. The cab over seems to disruptive while driving and see no sense of "getting used to it", if we don't like it, nor need it for storage.
Thor Gemini or Compass or the Phoenix Cruiser (both 23') would be possibilities if we can find an affordable one. Going to be looking for a while as we have more time than money. And aren't in a big hurry. Keep the suggestions coming.

Thanks all

Hi. One point you haven't mentioned is how do you expect to use the unit? Are you going to use it periodically and only locally? Do you expect to travel around the country? Will you full-time? The answer to these questions may necessarily tell you what kind of chassis you require and how much OCCC may be available for your needs. Further, if you use any of the plumbing within the coach, you will need to winterize the unit, unless you spend the winter down south in warmer climes. Otherwise, the factors that you listed can be had in many brands of smaller Class Cs (24 feet). Good luck with your search.

We went from a C to a B+ and really like the feel of the B+ better. It is narrower which makes it easier to drive in traffic (at least for me) and it handles better than our Class C did. Just more comfortable for me to drive.

Our unit is 26ft long and we don't want anything longer than that. We would like to have both a dinette and couch. But that was not an option in our unit.

We just purchased a new Sunseeker 2250LE:


We have a guest who uses the overhead bed on occasion; this particular unit has the center TV and shorty bunks. A little mod in on order to extend one of the bunk lengths, then it'll be just right.

Here's the unit at the show before we looked at it:

We have the Sunseeker 2300; you should look at one. It has a full size queen in the back corner. We ordered the optional mattress upgrade and it's great. The person sleeping on the exterior wall side has to clamber over the end of the bed to get out. Which is a bit easier than climbing over the partner.

You get the eating area, full bath, fully equipped kitchen. What you don't get is any other furniture. I would order the swiveling passenger seat.

Sunseeker Class C's

Another suggestion would be the new Winnebago Travato 59K. It's a minimalist Class B with what looks to be good sleeping arrangements. I like it, but the price seems very high. Maybe there are good discounts negotiable.

Travato

We have a Forest River Lexington gts it's a b+ with a queen bed it does have two slides it is a 2006 but have 5217 miles on when we got it we love it it is are first rv and just the right size for 2 or 3 people.

We have a Gulfstream Conquest Model 6237. It has a bed in the back corner and a full bath next to it. No slideout. Very large storage area accessed from outside below the bed. Ours also has a queen-size bed above the cab that we use for extra storage area for clothes and blankets, etc.

Forest River Sunseeker or Forester (different names for same models) have similar model to ours but rear bed is a queen size and roof material is fiberglass instead of rubber covering. Thor and Winnebage have equivalents. These no-slide Class C are what I call starter models, generally discounted to the $50-55,ooo range.

There is a slight advantage to Class B+ since they are a bit narrower than the Class C. B+ usually less than 8 feet wide while C is typically 8 feet. Look at Phoenix RV models for some good B+ choices.
Again, all major manufacturers have B+ model lines, although finding a short model with a bed in the rear is sometimes difficult. The B+ seem to cost about 10,000 more than Cs for some reason.

For a full-time bed, you're really looking at a 24 ft. The B+ is really a C just without the overcab.

Since you won't be using the overcab for sleeping, it comes down to whether you want it for storage or to house an entertainment center (or you might bring along a grandchild, etc., who could sleep in it).

Lots of threads about the beds - especially walk-around bed recommendations.

As you currently have a B and love it, seriously consider whether you really need a slide. You may find it more "effort" than you want since you're used to simplicity.