Geeze guys, I didn't intend to ruin anyone's day with my question. I have been in fifth wheels since 2000 and was just comparing. As for the afford it question, I learned growing up broke back in the fifties and sixties to ask the price of a hamburger. fortunately these days there are not many rigs out there that I couldn't AFFORD but I still ask the price of a hamburger and probably always will. Thanks all.