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BillHoughton
Explorer II
Jun 29, 2015

Two small modifications - 2007 Itasca Navion

These may be very specific to the Itasca Navion - I'm way too inexperienced to know if they'll have broader use, but I thought I'd offer them as a small thanks for all the help I've gotten here.

As we continue to learn about our new-to-us Navion, I've made a couple of little modifications to resolve issues.

Dining table leg: The dining table is hinged against the wall, with a single leg at the outer (aisle) end. The round foot on the leg slots into a metal receiver, intended (I assume) to keep the table from bouncing around on the road:

But there's enough play in the hinge at the top of the leg that the foot kept sliding out of the receiver, and I fretted about the stress on the leg hinge, so I added a slide bolt on the back side of the leg:

There are any number of slide bolt designs; this was one I had on hand. I had to add a shim to bring it out beyond the receiver and cut the vinyl flooring at the hole in the strike plate for the bolt to give it somewhere to push into, but it was a quick project, and it locks that leg up rock solid.

Water heater temperature and pressure relief valve: As the owner's manual "promises," the T&P relief valve weeps a bit when the heater is in use. The design Itasca installed has the relief valve right above the electrical connections and the air intake for the burner (top of T&P valve is the silver circle at the top, just left of center):

It didn't seem ideal to have either spot exposed to dripping water, but there wasn't space to put an elbow on the valve, so I added a little sheet metal diverter. I made a pattern with a 3x5 card, cutting until it fit*, then cut the diverter out of a piece of copper sheet metal I happened to have. Lacking copper, I'd have used galvanized metal or even aluminum flashing stock (you might even get by with a cut up soda/beer can, although that's a tad thin).

You can see in this second photo that the diverter just wraps around the valve opening and is held in place with a machine screw and nut (I used a nylon locking nut; love those things), and that the left edge of the diverter is bent up to direct the water out to the outside edge of the drain pan below the heater (it also stiffen the copper). If I have to work on the heater, it'll probably take longer to find the right wrench size for the nut than to pull the diverter off.

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*Well, actually, cutting until I'd completely messed up the first attempt, then getting a second card and succeeding that time.

5 Replies

  • I've wondered if the T/P valve was designed that way so if it opened due to high temperature, it would put the fire in the burner out.
  • I found that draining the water heater completely, then letting it refill, so it has an air pocket, might cure any weeping issues. Or, if the valve is slightly leaky, it may not help, as the air goes out the valve, then water after it.
  • BillHoughton wrote:
    I agree on the water heater design issue. The fact that Itasca specifically mentions the prospect of weeping tells me they couldn't find a good solution, so just punted. Kind of like the line from computer folks: "It's not a bug, it's a feature."

    In a residential setting, T&P valves regularly last decades. This one had to be replaced on an eight year old RV. I have to think the regular, low key weeping of the valve led to early failure.

    So, it's a bug; but one I have to live with, and thus the diverter.


    Itasca didn't make the water heater.....they just purchased from vendor and installed it.
    Both vendors (Suburban & Atwood) address the weeping affect....due to loss of air pocket.
    Same thing can occur in residential setting........except that system is much larger and can absorb the effect of water swelling (increase in pressure) when heated.
    RV system is much smaller volume and just can't absorb that affect as easily.

    YES... it's a bug :B
    And your shield will help keep water off of the terminals when T&P weeps (also agree that the weeping helps contribute to failure due to scaling on valve seat)
  • I agree on the water heater design issue. The fact that Itasca specifically mentions the prospect of weeping tells me they couldn't find a good solution, so just punted. Kind of like the line from computer folks: "It's not a bug, it's a feature."

    In a residential setting, T&P valves regularly last decades. This one had to be replaced on an eight year old RV. I have to think the regular, low key weeping of the valve led to early failure.

    So, it's a bug; but one I have to live with, and thus the diverter.
  • Nice, very useful mods.

    The water dripping is an issue. Drips on terminals and causes corrosion. Doesn't take much resistance to stop DC Voltage

    Water heater tank by design should have an air pocket in top of tank to allow for swelling of heated water. Loss of air pocket contributes to T&P Relief Valve weeping.