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ghsebldr
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Jun 12, 2013

Violent shaking in the steering wheel

Well I now know why my new to me 2004 winnie32g was such a steal. Spent a couple of days going over the Class C at the dealer and drove it for a while but never on the freeway. Paid for it and picked it up today and headed for I-5 in the middle of Portland, over the bridges and rivers between 35 and 45 mph due to traffic. I thought I would lose my grip on the steering wheel it was shaking so bad. I figured I would head for my local tire and align place 75 miles above Portland. The shaking started to improve as my speed picked up. At 55 it was all but gone and at 60-65 it was like floating, a slight pull to the right but a really pleasant drive otherwise.

The front tires are mismatched one a factory installed Michelen installed 10 years ago the other a Toyo that is newer but I haven't gotten under to look at the date stamp which is on the inside surface. I had already planned new tires all the way around and now I'm hoping new tires will fix the bounce. Any other suggestions that I might have them look for when they have it on the rack? I'm sure there are lots of things it could be so if you have had the experience please shout it out.

Kind of a lousy way to start out with your first Class C but I know if I can get past this minor (I hope) setback it will be just a hunk of heaven the rest of the way. Everything else seems to work great.
Luckily we don't need steering to try our first outing in our driveway.
for any ideas.
Class C

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  • Harvard's avatar
    Harvard
    Explorer
    Jun 26, 2013
    Thanks for the alignment info, helps to know where others are set.

    I have two comments about the caster.

    First, the CROSS CASTER = LH - RH and the normal range is -1.5 to +0.5, yours is set at 0.0 which is a bit out of range. So, IN THEORY, if you drive hard and fast in both lanes then you are good to go. If you are more conservative and normally drive on the RH side of the road crown then you might feel the tendency for the unit to want to go a bit to the right side of the road. Again, this is the theory.

    Secondly, speaking from experience (mine was LH +3.3 RH +3.5, almost same as yours) if you ever have the feeling that the "steering box needs to be tightened" then you should look into more +Caster. I added +2 to each wheel to go to LH+5.3 and RH +5.5 and it solved a lot of, what I thought, were handling issues.

    SP on Edit.
  • ghsebldr's avatar
    ghsebldr
    Explorer
    Jun 25, 2013
    Alignment finished. Took an hour and only cost $95. Toe was way off leading to excess tire wear on old tires. Put on 6 new Michelins last week.
    Results Front toe was ..Front: Left was 7/32" now 0
    Right: was 7/32" now 1/32"
    ------------------
    Total was 7/16" now 1/32"
    -------------------

    Front camber was 1/8" now 1/8"

    Caster Left was 3 3/4" left @3 3/4"
    Caster Right was 3 3/4" left@3 3/4".

    We left the Caster as they were since I haven't had any problems with the ride other than the shaking steering wheel which was almost totally solved with the new,balanced, tires. The alignment guy said my tires would last a whole lot longer with the Toe at the optimum settings of 1/32'.
    Thanks again for all of the helpful input. ghsebldr
  • Harvard's avatar
    Harvard
    Explorer
    Jun 17, 2013
    ghsebldr wrote:
    ....
    He is aware of the caster fix and says he sets it at the limit of plus 5 degrees.(?correct terminology). ....


    For the record, the upper Caster spec is about +7 Degrees BUT he was probably referring to the fact that there may not be any sleeves available that go much over +5 Degrees. Sounds like he is in tune with the caster part of things. Please do let us know how things turn out. If possible take notes of the before and after settings (Caster, Camber and Toe).
  • ghsebldr's avatar
    ghsebldr
    Explorer
    Jun 16, 2013
    Thanks for all of the replies. I put 6 new Michelins on and that helped a lot, however there was really bad cupping in the right front (factory 8 yr old ) tire. Brakes were 50% (front) and the rotors looked good, even wear. I have a front end align coming up this week. This guy comes to your house (mobile RV repair) and does a front end align for $145. Sounds pretty cheap to me, hope it's a reasonable price for the service preformed also hope it's a reasonable service. He is aware of the caster fix and says he sets it at the limit of plus 5 degrees.(?correct terminology). I will update this post after the align and after I get my corner and overall axle weights. Thanks again for all the help.
  • trnfla's avatar
    trnfla
    Explorer
    Jun 16, 2013
    I had the issue it was a brake caliper sticking due to brake line failure. If it happens again, stop and feel both rims, if it is a caliper, one rim will be extremely hotter than the other.
  • tvfrfireman's avatar
    tvfrfireman
    Explorer
    Jun 12, 2013
    I have had this happen once and the tires were old and a steel belt in one of the front tire broke. I couldn't see any thing wrong but could sure feel it. Once the new tires were installed all was well.
  • steelpony5555's avatar
    steelpony5555
    Explorer
    Jun 12, 2013
    If it is a Ford check or just change out the steering stabilizer. They are not expensive and easy to change. We had lots of Ford chassis's in our fleet and most the times when you hit bumps it would go into violent shakes. But that is the job of the stabilizer to stop.
  • hershey's avatar
    hershey
    Explorer
    Jun 12, 2013
    A shaking of the front wheels would be a balance issue. What you described is a out of alignment issue. Probably toed out. The violent shake would come and go at certain speeds.
    Of course the missmatched tires is an obvious problem, I'd buy two new tires for the front and get the front end re-aligned.
  • Dakzuki's avatar
    Dakzuki
    Explorer II
    Jun 12, 2013
    Fords are noted for doing this when the front suspension has slop in it from worn parts. It is called "precession" and is much like what happens on a shopping cart wheel. The Ford suspension geometry makes it prone to this. It can come and go with speed, vary with vehicle weight and can sometimes be tuned out by changing the damping on your shocks. The real solution of course is to correct it by replacing the worn out components. Been there done that.
  • othertonka's avatar
    othertonka
    Explorer
    Jun 12, 2013
    Steering wheel shake is almost always out of balance front wheels. But it sounds like you need new matched front tires and have them balanced

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Spent a couple of days going over the Class C at the dealer and drove it for a while but never on the freeway. Paid for it and picked it up today and headed for I-5 in the middle of Portland, over the bridges and rivers between 35 and 45 mph due to traffic. I thought I would lose my grip on the steering wheel it was shaking so bad. I figured I would head for my local tire and align place 75 miles above Portland. The shaking started to improve as my speed picked up. At 55 it was all but gone and at 60-65 it was like floating, a slight pull to the right but a really pleasant drive otherwise.

The front tires are mismatched one a factory installed Michelen installed 10 years ago the other a Toyo that is newer but I haven't gotten under to look at the date stamp which is on the inside surface. I had already planned new tires all the way around and now I'm hoping new tires will fix the bounce. Any other suggestions that I might have them look for when they have it on the rack? I'm sure there are lots of things it could be so if you have had the experience please shout it out.

Kind of a lousy way to start out with your first Class C but I know if I can get past this minor (I hope) setback it will be just a hunk of heaven the rest of the way. Everything else seems to work great.
Luckily we don't need steering to try our first outing in our driveway.
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The front tires are mismatched one a factory installed Michelen installed 10 years ago the other a Toyo that is newer but I haven't gotten under to look at the date stamp which is on the inside surface. I had already planned new tires all the way around and now I'm hoping new tires will fix the bounce. Any other suggestions that I might have them look for when they have it on the rack? I'm sure there are lots of things it could be so if you have had the experience please shout it out.

Kind of a lousy way to start out with your first Class C but I know if I can get past this minor (I hope) setback it will be just a hunk of heaven the rest of the way. Everything else seems to work great.
Luckily we don't need steering to try our first outing in our driveway.
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Violent shaking in the steering wheel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:578522"},"body":"Thanks for the alignment info, helps to know where others are set.

I have two comments about the caster.

First, the CROSS CASTER = LH - RH and the normal range is -1.5 to +0.5, yours is set at 0.0 which is a bit out of range. So, IN THEORY, if you drive hard and fast in both lanes then you are good to go. If you are more conservative and normally drive on the RH side of the road crown then you might feel the tendency for the unit to want to go a bit to the right side of the road. Again, this is the theory.

Secondly, speaking from experience (mine was LH +3.3 RH +3.5, almost same as yours) if you ever have the feeling that the \"steering box needs to be tightened\" then you should look into more +Caster. I added +2 to each wheel to go to LH+5.3 and RH +5.5 and it solved a lot of, what I thought, were handling issues.

SP on Edit.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-25T17:42:52.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-25T17:42:52.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":397},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:578506/message:578522","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:578521":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:578521","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:578521":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:397027"},"id":"message:578521","revisionNum":1,"uid":578521,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:578506"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:578506"},"subject":"Re: Violent shaking in the steering wheel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:578521"},"body":"Alignment finished. Took an hour and only cost $95. Toe was way off leading to excess tire wear on old tires. Put on 6 new Michelins last week.
Results Front toe was ..Front: Left was 7/32\" now 0
Right: was 7/32\" now 1/32\"
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Total was 7/16\" now 1/32\"
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Front camber was 1/8\" now 1/8\"

Caster Left was 3 3/4\" left @3 3/4\"
Caster Right was 3 3/4\" left@3 3/4\".

We left the Caster as they were since I haven't had any problems with the ride other than the shaking steering wheel which was almost totally solved with the new,balanced, tires. The alignment guy said my tires would last a whole lot longer with the Toe at the optimum settings of 1/32'.
Thanks again for all of the helpful input. ghsebldr","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-25T12:22:12.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-25T12:22:12.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":397},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:578506/message:578521","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:578520":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:578520","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:578520":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:46784"},"id":"message:578520","revisionNum":1,"uid":578520,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:578506"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:578506"},"subject":"Re: Violent shaking in the steering wheel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:578520"},"body":"
ghsebldr wrote:
....
He is aware of the caster fix and says he sets it at the limit of plus 5 degrees.(?correct terminology). ....


For the record, the upper Caster spec is about +7 Degrees BUT he was probably referring to the fact that there may not be any sleeves available that go much over +5 Degrees. Sounds like he is in tune with the caster part of things. Please do let us know how things turn out. If possible take notes of the before and after settings (Caster, Camber and Toe).","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-16T17:10:11.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-16T17:10:11.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":397},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:578506/message:578520","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:578519":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:578519","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:578519":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:397027"},"id":"message:578519","revisionNum":1,"uid":578519,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:578506"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:578506"},"subject":"Re: Violent shaking in the steering wheel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:578519"},"body":"Thanks for all of the replies. I put 6 new Michelins on and that helped a lot, however there was really bad cupping in the right front (factory 8 yr old ) tire. Brakes were 50% (front) and the rotors looked good, even wear. I have a front end align coming up this week. This guy comes to your house (mobile RV repair) and does a front end align for $145. Sounds pretty cheap to me, hope it's a reasonable price for the service preformed also hope it's a reasonable service. He is aware of the caster fix and says he sets it at the limit of plus 5 degrees.(?correct terminology). I will update this post after the align and after I get my corner and overall axle weights. Thanks again for all the help.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-16T15:55:49.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-16T15:55:49.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":398},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:578506/message:578519","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:131780":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:131780","uid":131780,"login":"trnfla","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-06-17T13:56:37.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:131780"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:578518":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:578518","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:578518":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:131780"},"id":"message:578518","revisionNum":1,"uid":578518,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:578506"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:578506"},"subject":"Re: Violent shaking in the steering wheel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:578518"},"body":"I had the issue it was a brake caliper sticking due to brake line failure. If it happens again, stop and feel both rims, if it is a caliper, one rim will be extremely hotter than the other.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"190","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-06-16T14:30:27.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-06-16T14:30:27.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":397},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:578506/message:578518","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:292952":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:292952","uid":292952,"login":"tvfrfireman","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-08-21T15:37:49.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:292952"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:578517":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:578517","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:578517":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:292952"},"id":"message:578517","revisionNum":1,"uid":578517,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:578506"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:578506"},"subject":"Re: Violent shaking in the steering wheel","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:578517"},"body":"I have had this happen once and the tires were old and a steel belt in one of the front tire broke. I couldn't see any thing wrong but could sure feel it. 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