Waxing
I have a 14 year old fiberglass shell motorhome and I can't get the shine to come up. I've tried the top brand car waxes to no avail. Can anyone recommend anything?
rgatijnet1 wrote:I really don't know what put this burr under your saddle. My original post was straight forward and was made with the experience(s) I had and suggested other to do a search for further information. It absolutely didn't even elude to other solutions that others have used to get a desirable result. Your taking a lot of time to do a search and cherry pick only the 10% of negative results didn't do the other 90% of positive results justice. Your choosing to make this very personal and it really is only an alternate method to achieve a nice shine on a neglected MH. Its is not the only way..there are dozens of other ways to achieve the same results.
I did re-read your post although I read it right the first time. Here is a reminder to you.hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.READ CLOSLY: I said that I would not use the Red Max Pro process on a full bodied paint. Common sense should prevail. Common sense was directed to that previous sentence, not to any other part of any other thread that you would like to direct it to.
For goodness sake, get real, get glasses so you can read, have someone explain the big words to you
Boy, you really got me on that one. :B
Now, read your first post CLOSELY and SLOWLY. You will see that you left off the word PAINT. Had you included that word, your next sentence about common sense could have been tied to it. Without the word PAINT to tie the two sentences together, your common sense statement meant to me that if someone did not use ZEP they had no common sense.
You also stated in your second sentence that ZEP was the ONLY thing left to give a showroom results, which is not true, and when coupled with your common sense closing sentence, your entire post took on a whole new meaning.
The previous posts of the many people that have tried ZEP, and were less than thrilled with the results, unfortunately believed all of the hype.
The sanding, or compounding method to remove oxidation on a fiberglass gel coach may not be the easiest to do but it is safer than a floor finish that may or may not peel, may or may not turn yellow, and may or may not soften/dissolve the gel coat.
Why some people continue to push an interior floor finish, for people to use on their valuable RV's, when there have been many documented problems, is beyond me.
rgatijnet1 wrote:I really don't know what put this burr under your saddle. My original post was straight forward and was made with the experience(s) I had and suggested other to do a search for further information. It absolutely didn't even elude to other solutions that others have used to get a desirable result. Your taking a lot of time to do a search and cherry pick only the 10% of negative results didn't do the other 90% of positive results justice. Your choosing to make this very personal and it really is only an alternate method to achieve a nice shine on a neglected MH. Its is not the only way..there are dozens of other ways to achieve the same results.
I did re-read your post although I read it right the first time. Here is a reminder to you.hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.READ CLOSLY: I said that I would not use the Red Max Pro process on a full bodied paint. Common sense should prevail. Common sense was directed to that previous sentence, not to any other part of any other thread that you would like to direct it to.
For goodness sake, get real, get glasses so you can read, have someone explain the big words to you
Boy, you really got me on that one. :B
Now, read your first post CLOSELY and SLOWLY. You will see that you left off the word PAINT. Had you included that word, your next sentence about common sense could have been tied to it. Without the word PAINT to tie the two sentences together, your common sense statement meant to me that if someone did not use ZEP they had no common sense.
You also stated in your second sentence that ZEP was the ONLY thing left to give a showroom results, which is not true, and when coupled with your common sense closing sentence, your entire post took on a whole new meaning.
The previous posts of the many people that have tried ZEP, and were less than thrilled with the results, unfortunately believed all of the hype.
The sanding, or compounding method to remove oxidation on a fiberglass gel coach may not be the easiest to do but it is safer than a floor finish that may or may not peel, may or may not turn yellow, and may or may not soften/dissolve the gel coat.
Why some people continue to push an interior floor finish, for people to use on their valuable RV's, when there have been many documented problems, is beyond me.
hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.
READ CLOSLY: I said that I would not use the Red Max Pro process on a full bodied paint. Common sense should prevail. Common sense was directed to that previous sentence, not to any other part of any other thread that you would like to direct it to.
For goodness sake, get real, get glasses so you can read, have someone explain the big words to you
hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.
READ CLOSLY: I said that I would not use the Red Max Pro process on a full bodied paint. Common sense should prevail. Common sense was directed to that previous sentence, not to any other part of any other thread that you would like to direct it to.
For goodness sake, get real, get glasses so you can read, have someone explain the big words to you
hershey wrote:
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide.
Peg Leg wrote:
I'm doing my cap now. I had the ZEP, won't do that again.
Dog Trainer wrote:
I used the Red Max and after 2 years the coach started to yellow. I had to get the s**t off and the finish back it was a big job.
timmac wrote:
Do not let the stripper sit to long because it will melt the fiberglass and turn it yellow . . . What I learned about the Zep wax is the hot desert sun will still shrink the stripes and the wax will turn white on those areas, only my south facing side had the issue, the north facing side no issues after 2 years.
Bumpyroad wrote:
I bought a couple of gallons of it when it was being cleared out and did use a little of it on my winnie before trading it, and the rest is still sitting in my garage. putting it on is easy, maintaining it is difficult.
larry barnhart wrote:
I also have some flaking on the entry side. Nobody has prepared any better than what I did or even close to the work I did. I still feel it is better than 2 to 3 wax jobs each year. I will have to wait until we arrive back home in April to correct the problem.
chevman
fizikpal wrote:
I had some flaking on the rear end of the coach which gets beat up by the sun. I used Zep floor striper. It was a major pain to remove the finish. The chemicals run before they loosen the wax.
chast wrote:
Been using this stuff for about five years now and have removed it several times.
royl wrote:
I did the Zep floor finish process on my motorhome last fall. It looked great but now I am in the desert southwest and the wax is turning white and peeling off only on the stripes on the sides of the motorhome. It is still fine on the white where it stays cooler but on the dark gray stripes it is peeling bad. Any ideas? How could I remove the wax on the stripes and not affect the white parts? I would hate to start a whole new process.
Weldon wrote:
My RMP started to flake last year. I washed it and put more RMP on. 4 coats, this year the flaking is worse. I do feel the prep was done correctly in the beginning. I have used Zep stripper to remove the old floor polish and it was quite a job getting it off. Also used some compound on it which helped. The ends which seem to be gel coat were the bad area for me, the filon sides did not show any flaking. Used Nufinish this time.
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I have had some flaking on the dark green decals.
hershey wrote:
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide.
Peg Leg wrote:
I'm doing my cap now. I had the ZEP, won't do that again.
Dog Trainer wrote:
I used the Red Max and after 2 years the coach started to yellow. I had to get the s**t off and the finish back it was a big job.
timmac wrote:
Do not let the stripper sit to long because it will melt the fiberglass and turn it yellow . . . What I learned about the Zep wax is the hot desert sun will still shrink the stripes and the wax will turn white on those areas, only my south facing side had the issue, the north facing side no issues after 2 years.
Bumpyroad wrote:
I bought a couple of gallons of it when it was being cleared out and did use a little of it on my winnie before trading it, and the rest is still sitting in my garage. putting it on is easy, maintaining it is difficult.
larry barnhart wrote:
I also have some flaking on the entry side. Nobody has prepared any better than what I did or even close to the work I did. I still feel it is better than 2 to 3 wax jobs each year. I will have to wait until we arrive back home in April to correct the problem.
chevman
fizikpal wrote:
I had some flaking on the rear end of the coach which gets beat up by the sun. I used Zep floor striper. It was a major pain to remove the finish. The chemicals run before they loosen the wax.
chast wrote:
Been using this stuff for about five years now and have removed it several times.
royl wrote:
I did the Zep floor finish process on my motorhome last fall. It looked great but now I am in the desert southwest and the wax is turning white and peeling off only on the stripes on the sides of the motorhome. It is still fine on the white where it stays cooler but on the dark gray stripes it is peeling bad. Any ideas? How could I remove the wax on the stripes and not affect the white parts? I would hate to start a whole new process.
Weldon wrote:
My RMP started to flake last year. I washed it and put more RMP on. 4 coats, this year the flaking is worse. I do feel the prep was done correctly in the beginning. I have used Zep stripper to remove the old floor polish and it was quite a job getting it off. Also used some compound on it which helped. The ends which seem to be gel coat were the bad area for me, the filon sides did not show any flaking. Used Nufinish this time.
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I have had some flaking on the dark green decals.
Now I guess. IF for some reason your RV has gotten to the point that it is faded, and washed out thu neglect. And the only way to get any shine is to sand it. Maybe then it would be OK to take a chance with floor wax. But only if it was beyond hope. And if you use in on your RV. Does it work on your car too? See no reason why not.
Now I guess. IF for some reason your RV has gotten to the point that it is faded, and washed out thu neglect. And the only way to get any shine is to sand it. Maybe then it would be OK to take a chance with floor wax. But only if it was beyond hope. And if you use in on your RV. Does it work on your car too? See no reason why not.
rgatijnet1 wrote:hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.
What a load of BS.
Here we have a fiberglass repair tech posting the right way to bring the shine back to a new finish and still the floor wax people think that their coating is better than the \"real thing.\"
You talk about how you have had to redo some areas and about poor prep and here is an expert telling you how it should be done, and you still say he has no common sense because you have used an interior floor product instead of doing the job right.
The facts are that common sense does keep SOME people from making a mistake. In your case, common sense failed, and you went with what you thought was the easy way out and you had to redo it twice in the last three years. Do it right....do it once.
rgatijnet1 wrote:hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.
What a load of BS.
Here we have a fiberglass repair tech posting the right way to bring the shine back to a new finish and still the floor wax people think that their coating is better than the \"real thing.\"
You talk about how you have had to redo some areas and about poor prep and here is an expert telling you how it should be done, and you still say he has no common sense because you have used an interior floor product instead of doing the job right.
The facts are that common sense does keep SOME people from making a mistake. In your case, common sense failed, and you went with what you thought was the easy way out and you had to redo it twice in the last three years. Do it right....do it once.
2bzy2c wrote:Terryallan wrote:2bzy2c wrote:Terryallan wrote:
Question. Does this hardwood flooring polish Zep. Bring back the original color, or just make the washed out surface shine? Cause as I am waxing my TT today, and every time I wax a vehicle. I can see that not only am I making it shine. But I am returning it to the original color, almost 2 shades worth, and taking out scratches as well. Does Zep remove the scratches too?
It helps, but does not bring the color back. Nope. It does not take out scratches. It simply fills them in so they are not visible. See the example of a before and after picture in this thread.
Looked at it. but you really can't tell anything. Pictures are from a different angle. One in sun, one in shade. there is no way to compare. Did see what appears to be a poorly done patch job on the corner.
Well, the best advice I can offer is try some on a inconspicuous area
and see for yourself. Yep, you are going to spend about $25 just to try it, but it might be worth it. Do give it at least 4 coats.
I think you will be pleased.
2bzy2c wrote:Terryallan wrote:2bzy2c wrote:Terryallan wrote:
Question. Does this hardwood flooring polish Zep. Bring back the original color, or just make the washed out surface shine? Cause as I am waxing my TT today, and every time I wax a vehicle. I can see that not only am I making it shine. But I am returning it to the original color, almost 2 shades worth, and taking out scratches as well. Does Zep remove the scratches too?
It helps, but does not bring the color back. Nope. It does not take out scratches. It simply fills them in so they are not visible. See the example of a before and after picture in this thread.
Looked at it. but you really can't tell anything. Pictures are from a different angle. One in sun, one in shade. there is no way to compare. Did see what appears to be a poorly done patch job on the corner.
Well, the best advice I can offer is try some on a inconspicuous area
and see for yourself. Yep, you are going to spend about $25 just to try it, but it might be worth it. Do give it at least 4 coats.
I think you will be pleased.
brirene wrote:
Consider the Zep process. I know its a floor treatment, but myself, and several others here have done it on older fiberglass that has oxidized, and the shine is amazing.
Edit: Lots of naysayers, as above, but I honestly don't recall anyone here who has done it that wishes they hadn't. Your call.
brirene wrote:
Consider the Zep process. I know its a floor treatment, but myself, and several others here have done it on older fiberglass that has oxidized, and the shine is amazing.
Edit: Lots of naysayers, as above, but I honestly don't recall anyone here who has done it that wishes they hadn't. Your call.
brirene wrote:
I have seen some of the most arrogant and condescending posts in this thread that I've ever seen in more than 7 years on this forum. I'm surprised on a number of levels.
brirene wrote:
I have seen some of the most arrogant and condescending posts in this thread that I've ever seen in more than 7 years on this forum. I'm surprised on a number of levels.
