Trash Trash Trash

korbe wrote:
My thoughts are that the folks who only go camping on the 3-day weekends are not the folks who care about the beauty of their environment.

You would be wrong. Just because I can only go camping on a long weekend does not put me in that category. I could very easily state the opposite; That full timers and seasoned RVers are the problem.

This has always been a problem in very popular places near populous areas. The wonderful thing about being "empty nesters" is that we can avoid the party weekends. So for the most part we don't encounter the "trash people". 3Oaks, that's not to say that all are slobs, I get what you are saying, but in my observation in nearly 30 years of doing this is that there seems to be this mentality among those going on 3 day holiday weekends, that "I must have a good time" at any cost.

One way to avoid seeing a lot of this is to go hiking or biking on off road trails. People who are there to party generally don't like to put physical effort into things, so all you'll encounter on the trails is like minded people.

That said every place we've been to that caters to hikers and true outdoors people does not seem to have this issue.

3oaks wrote:

Iraqvet05 wrote:

korbe wrote:
My thoughts are that the folks who only go camping on the 3-day weekends are not the folks who care about the beauty of their environment.

It depends on how you were raised. I make my kids do a "police call" and pick up the trash around our site before we leave after a weekend trip. I like to leave my site cleaner that what I found it.

I agree, it all depends on how a person was raised and what they were taught.

I totally disagree with stereotyping 3-day weekenders. Some of us have or had jobs which only allowed us to get away on holiday week-ends and we never considered trashing our site or any part of the campgrounds. :R

I believe the problem is part of the generation(s) gap. Not enough people taking personal responsibility and accountability. Now those kids are having kids and the matter is only growing worse. :E

We also only have an opportunity to camp during the weekends for the most part too. But we prefer not to camp during the 3-day holiday weekends because is it at those times we encounter most of the rude behavior witch includes littering.

Being a slob is a learned trait....generation to generation ! Let's not forget the spit covered cigarette butts which grandpa, mom, dad, kids all think it's OK to throw down everywhere!

Slobs are Slobs!

So according to some of you, those who work who can only go camping on weekends and holidays are the problem? Oh please get over your priveleged selves. It has nothing to do with when you can go camping and every thing to do with learned trashy behavior. According to some of you the "working class" is a problem. That goes against everything I was raised to beleive and know to be true. That is an elitist attitude! So you get to be part of the 93 million who don't work but the rest of us are the problem. If that is not what you meant to convey then edit your post or be exposed for the snobbery you just spewed.

fla-gypsy wrote:
So according to some of you, those who work who can only go camping on weekends and holidays are the problem? Oh please get over your priveleged selves. It has nothing to do with when you can go camping and every thing to do with learned trashy behavior. According to some of you the "working class" is a problem. That goes against everything I was raised to beleive and know to be true. That is an elitist attitude! So you get to be part of the 93 million who don't work but the rest of us are the problem. If that is not what you meant to convey then edit your post or be exposed for the snobbery you just spewed.

Come on, Fla-gypsy tell us how you really feel :W.

fla-gypsy wrote:
It has nothing to do with when you can go camping and every thing to do with learned trashy behavior

So who do you think is doing most of the littering? If "snobbery" is the same as observation, then I'm snobby.

fla-gypsy wrote:
So according to some of you, those who work who can only go camping on weekends and holidays are the problem? Oh please get over your priveleged selves. It has nothing to do with when you can go camping and every thing to do with learned trashy behavior. According to some of you the "working class" is a problem. That goes against everything I was raised to beleive and know to be true. That is an elitist attitude! So you get to be part of the 93 million who don't work but the rest of us are the problem. If that is not what you meant to convey then edit your post or be exposed for the snobbery you just spewed.

Sorry friend, you are the one needs to stop generalizing. I AM part of the working class. If you bothered to actually read my post you'd see my take on the subject. My viewpoint is not a generalization, it's based on nearly 30 years of observation and having to camp on holiday weekends with the party crowd when I still had kids in school. Yes, there are good people camping on those same weekends. but there are also a lot more careless people out at the same time compared with non-holiday periods.

And yes, most of my camping still has to be done on weekends because I'm still working. It's just that we no longer have go on holiday weekends anymore. :)

Campfire Time wrote:

fla-gypsy wrote:
So according to some of you, those who work who can only go camping on weekends and holidays are the problem? Oh please get over your priveleged selves. It has nothing to do with when you can go camping and every thing to do with learned trashy behavior. According to some of you the "working class" is a problem. That goes against everything I was raised to beleive and know to be true. That is an elitist attitude! So you get to be part of the 93 million who don't work but the rest of us are the problem. If that is not what you meant to convey then edit your post or be exposed for the snobbery you just spewed.

Sorry friend, you are the one needs to stop generalizing. I AM part of the working class. If you bothered to actually read my post you'd see my take on the subject. My viewpoint is not a generalization, it's based on nearly 30 years of observation and having to camp on holiday weekends with the party crowd when I still had kids in school. Yes, there are good people camping on those same weekends. but there are also a lot more careless people out at the same time compared with non-holiday periods.

And yes, most of my camping still has to be done on weekends because I'm still working. It's just that we no longer have go on holiday weekends anymore. :)

Well let me grab a few statements for you;

"My thoughts are that the folks who only go camping on the 3-day weekends are not the folks who care about the beauty of their environment"

"X2 on the three day campers possibly from the big city where trash is a way of life."

No I wasnt generalizing, I was using the statements some of you typed.
It's one thing to say you don't go on weekends/holidays because it is crowded. It is quite another to blame all trashy behavior and rude behavior on those that can only camp during those times. I was at a very busy CG over the weekend and the behavior was excellent.

It is easy to see the problem and hard to solve. And even harder to understand. I have tried a few times to see and speak with those who litter as nicely as I can. Never works. I think quietly picking up after them may be more powerful than words. I don't know