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CatandJim
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Jun 09, 2013

Cholodin supplement

Twelve days ago now I started our beloved (almost 14 year old) Pistol Pete on a Cholodin supplement, approved by our vet, of course. The dementia he had was becoming hard on him & us, it was time to try something.


I purposely did not inform my husband of the new regime to see if he noticed a difference in Petey's cognitive behavior. Call it an experiment of sorts.

On Friday (6/7) when Jimmy came home from work he said "Wow look at Pistol. He seems wide awake and energetic today." I replied "I think he feels better". Jimmy took the dogs outside while I prepared our evening meal, as is our routine when he arrives home from work. He came back in a little bit later and said "Petey is having a good day today honey." My heart just about burst from my chest. I had noticed some improvement but thought it was wishful thinking.... Pistol Pete is more aware and seems to comprehend more about his surroundings these days. He also seems more willing to do things even though his eye sight isn't great. We had started him on "Young at Heart" a few months ago with mixed results but I must say the actual Cholidin supplement has made a difference. I don't know how long it will last but it has improved Pistol Pete's quality of life. I am VERY pleased.


:B :B :B

That is all.... just a bit of happy news about one of our seniors.


:)
  • Im also very Happy to hear your Good results with this supplement...heaven knows we all look to anything that will help our "seniors" enjoy life longer....good for you! :B
  • sher9570 wrote:
    Love your edit...LOL

    Sher


    Thanks... I needed to find some humor.

    In case anyone is curious, it would have been sooner (the neuter) if he hadn't been a breeder dog in a puppy mill the first two years of his life. He was rescued, bought at auction by a rescue group, in 2001 in pitiful condition.

    In reality, it's a blessing he has lived this long and done as well as he has. Improving the quality where there is limited quantity, one day at a time.

    Thank you Sher & Rita. :)
  • Cat, I'm happy for you and Pete. Toward the end of Champ's life I would have done anything to make him more comfortable, and I trusted my vet's treatments completely. I know you do too. I really hope Pete will have better quality time with you now because of this drug. Every day you have with him is a gift. Blessings to you and your beautiful family.

    Rita and her furry family, Andy and Nicky the wonder horse
  • I couldn't be happier for PP, I know over time his quality of life has diminished but leave it to you Cat to find a way to improve it so he can have a happier more fulfilling life.
    I'll bet PP surely appreciates it!
    As for 352 I think he just does not get it. While there are many, many drugs that have an equally long list of side effects that are an effective treatment when managed properly, and can be used successfully with our pets, sometimes with reduced dosage but with our vets help we do these things to improve our pets quality of life. Most of us do all we can do.
    I celebrate this good news on PP and I hope it continues for a very long time.
    Give him hugs from me and Lucy & Bubba!

    Sher
  • I have to say that while I appreciate your concern "352", I have discussed the dosage and Petey's health challenges with my vet and feel confident that I understand the risks and benefits of the supplement.

    I thank you "352" for your time & concern. As I posted originally our Pistol Pete is responding well to the (low dose) we are administering to him. If you have seen any of my previous posts you might realize that quality of life has been recently greatly diminished, where he is concerned, due to the dementia.

    It would be great if a person could come to here and celebrate the good things. I hesitate to post on this forum lately because there are FAR too many people who seem to live to suck the joy right out of life. :(

    Cat

    A lifelong pet owner who does NOT administer anything to any of them, without weighing the risks vs benefits.

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    On edit:

    Oh and just to be clear I'm OK that it might cause Petey to experience a:

    loss of interest in sex, impotence, difficulty having an orgasm.


    He's been neutered since 2001.

    :R
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