San Diego Zoo vaccinate great apes.We have discussed many animal species that also can contract SarsCov2 including primates, cats, mink, ferrets and to a lesser degree dogs. Zoetis (a major animal health company that used to be a division of Pfizer before being spun off) has developed this vaccine and now are testing the vaccine.This is important in an effort to prevent further development of variants and reservoirs of the virus that could complicate elimination of the pandemic and future epidemics.

The USDA is keeping a list of reported confirmed cases in animals.USDA AHPIS: Cases of SARS-CoV-2 in Animals in the United StatesI've seen various reports where cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, ducks, quail and geese were challenged with live virus and these did not become infected. Other reports indicated that ferrets, cats, deer mice, hamsters, rabbits can become infected when challenged with the virus. I've not seen reports for sheep and goats.

Vaccinating great apes before humans, not good with that.

IF YOU READ THE REPORT, the vaccine is an entirely different one from the one used in people. It was developed by a drug company ENTIRELY devoted to production of animal products. It in NO WAY takes away from ANY vaccinations to people.BTW, I saw an article yesterday where a Coronavirus epidemic in PIGS that happened a few years ago resulted in the production of a vaccine and public health tools were used to stem that epidemic. The veterinarians were a little perplexed that they had not been contacted regarding the new SarsCov2There has been an initiative for the last decade (at least) called ONE HEALTH. It recognizes that the health of all species are inter-related as witnessed by the emergence of multiple new diseases that originated in animals and spread to humans. The initiative coordinates information and research to combat just these types of problems.Dr. Doug

"Vaccinating great apes before humans, not good with that." Does azdryheat have the medical knowledge to say this? That treating animals isn't important to human health?

From the CBS Story:Zoetis started development on a COVID-19 vaccine for dogs and cats after the first dog tested positive for the virus in Hong Kong over a year ago, a spokesperson told CBS News. It was deemed safe and effective eight months later — but testing had only been done in dogs and cats. "Now more than ever before, we can all see the important connection between animal health and human health," the spokesperson said. "While thankfully a COVID vaccine is not needed for cats and dogs at this time, we have applied our early development work to help the Great Apes at the San Diego Zoo and in other species on an experimental basis for emergency uses."

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dturm
Moderator
Mar 24, 2021
Zoetis is adapting a veterinary SARS-CoV-2 vaccine for use in mink, thousands of which were culled at fur farms when scientists discovered that the coronavirus spread easily from people to the animals and then between mink, mutating along the way. The veterinary vaccine, which is not suitable for use in humans, was administered to great apes at San Diego Zoo in January, and vaccinating susceptible animals could prevent spillback of variants to people, says Zoetis Senior Vice President of Global Biologics R&D Mahesh Kumar.
LJAZ
Explorer
Mar 20, 2021
Came across this article:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/16/975405670/zoo-vaccinates-apes-to-protect-both-animals-and-humans-from-covid-19

I read in another article that speculation is that an asymptomatic zookeeper was the source of infection.
BCSnob
Explorer
Mar 18, 2021
The UK variant can infect dogs and cats from their owners 3-6 weeks after their owners got infected.

Interestingly, all these B.1.1.7 infected pets developed atypical clinical manifestations, including severe cardiac abnormalities secondary to myocarditis and a profound impairment of the general health status of the patient but without any primary respiratory signs.

Myocarditis in naturally infected pets with the British variant of COVID-19
BioRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.03.18.435945
Deb_and_Ed_M
Explorer II
Mar 13, 2021
BCSnob wrote:
I don’t know about Dr Doug but I prefer to get my Covid-19 information from the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical society, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, Nature, etc, and by reading preprint of studies on BioRxiv/MedRxiv as opposed to CNN or Fox News. While I don’t have the training in public health, virology and immunology that Dr Doug has (I have a PhD in Chemistry with >25 years as a research scientist) I do get to read about how diagnostic tests I have helped developed are being used in COVID-19 research and the clinical trials of several vaccines (for example the Moderna vaccine).

I think the vast majority of us here really appreciate your, and Dr Doug's, data-based information :-) Granted, there are some folks who are unable to interpret the studies as presented in a clinical manner - and then there's some who are simply not going to listen because it doesn't fit their narrative.

I'm grateful for the Covid vaccine, and glad they continue to research coronaviruses in animals. There's always a chance that something else dire, will decide to switch species....
BCSnob
Explorer
Mar 13, 2021
I don’t know about Dr Doug but I prefer to get my Covid-19 information from the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical society, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, Nature, etc, and by reading preprint of studies on BioRxiv/MedRxiv as opposed to CNN or Fox News. While I don’t have the training in public health, virology and immunology that Dr Doug has (I have a PhD in Chemistry with >25 years as a research scientist) I do get to read about how diagnostic tests I have helped developed are being used in COVID-19 research and the clinical trials of several vaccines (for example the Moderna and J&J vaccines).
dturm
Moderator
Mar 13, 2021
I deleted a post by a new (here on the pet stop) member. That post suggested I watch less CNN and TV. It was also stated that we don’t need fake news here.

Some of you may not be aware of my background, but I have a Bachelor’s Degree in Biology and a Doctorate in Veterinary Medicine. I have over 40 years experience in small animal veterinary practice where I have probably administered close to a million vaccinations against multiple diseases in multiple species (multivalent vaccines we often used were 5 in 1). I have more than a passing knowledge and training in public health, virology and immunology.

While I don’t often watch CNN, I do try to absorb information from multiple sources and evaluate their veracity based on my knowledge and experience. That includes internet, print and TV.

I don’t claim to know or understand everything about this disease, but perhaps my training and experience allows me to impart some explanations and understanding of a difficult evolving situation.

It’s sad that information that does not conform with a preconceived position cannot be evaluated by some individuals and is just labeled fake.

Dr. Doug
dturm
Moderator
Mar 11, 2021
mr_andyj wrote:
The height of human stupidity!
Lots of hoaxes surrounding all this.
CDC states that the vax will not protect you from the virus, and you still need to mask up, wash hands, distance... So, what is the vax for? If people are dropping dead after getting it and it does not protect you from squat, then need I ask the next obvious question?

Lots of misinformation and false assumptions here.

You state that "people are dropping dead after getting it" are you referring to the vaccination? This is a false narrative. Deaths occurring around the time of vaccination are expected with millions of doses being given. The data often quoted with this narrative is supplied by the VAERS and does NOT specify cause of death. An individual killed in a car accident after having been vaccinated is included in this data set.

A majority of these reported deaths have occurred in people >80 years old. Again, cause of death is NOT included in this data set and assumptions that the vaccine caused all these death are incorrect.

Read Mark's response, it gives a real good explanation why you should get a vaccination AND still take SOME precautions.

The vaccination not only protects you from serious disease, it can serve to protect people you associate with and society in general. If this virus continues to spread, it WILL mutate and we could get variants that cause more issues.
BCSnob
Explorer
Mar 11, 2021
People who have any of the other respiratory viruses (common cold, flu, SARS-CoV-1, MERS, etc) are only infectious to others when they feel sick (symptomatic). SARS-CoV-2 is unique in that people who have this virus are infectious to others before they feel sick (pre-symptomatic) and even if they never feel sick (asymptomatic). I've seen published studies which have estimated up to 40% of all SARS-CoV-2 infections are asymptomatic.

Clinical trials for vaccines follow 10,000s of vaccinated (with vaccine or placebo) people for 2 years. During this time the effectiveness of the vaccine is evaluated by determining how many vaccinated people became infected vs how many who received the placebo became infected. With the other respiratory viruses it is easy to know if someone is infected because they feel sick (symptomatic). With SARS-CoV-2 how do you determine everyone who becomes infected if some infections never cause symptoms? How do you determine the effectiveness of a vaccine to prevent all SARS-CoV-2 infections (asymptomatic and symptomatic)? The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are only evaluated at preventing symptomatic infections (the ones that can be identified), hospitalizations, and deaths. The vaccines are very effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths.

A vaccinated person could become infected (asymptomatic) and then infect another vaccinated person leading to a mild (symptomatic) or asymptomatic infection A vaccinated person is unlikely to become sick enough to require hospitalization or die). A vaccinated person could infect a non-vaccinated person leading to asymptotic infection, mild symptomatic infection, hospitalization, or death. This is why vaccinated people should still wear masks.
mr_andyj
Explorer
Mar 11, 2021
The height of human stupidity!
Lots of hoaxes surrounding all this.
CDC states that the vax will not protect you from the virus, and you still need to mask up, wash hands, distance... So, what is the vax for? If people are dropping dead after getting it and it does not protect you from squat, then need I ask the next obvious question?
Deb_and_Ed_M
Explorer II
Mar 10, 2021
I copy/pasted this from Dr Doug's article:

"And while mass vaccination activities against COVID-19 are currently underway on a global level, we are still not yet sure how this pandemic (and its causative virus) will end. In other words, highly touted concepts of herd immunity and viral eradication are increasingly seen as unrealistic when prevalence, genetic diversity and pervasive animal reservoirs are taken into account."

Given how many Americans in particular, refuse to get vaccinated - is "herd immunity" even going to happen? Although this article certainly put a new twist on that thought....

Also - I find it strange that two weasels gets Covid (mink/ferret), while another (skunks) doesn't....

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